What plot holes could be adequately explained away with a single shot or line of dialogue?

TimewornTraveler , 11 days ago

the griffins in LOTR. "Oh it's mating season right now" or whatever, some excuse why they're too busy to just take them up from the get go

Silentiea , 11 days ago

You... You mean the eagles? I always say "They had their own shit going on."

EnderMB , 12 days ago

DBZ fan. Lots of things:

• SSJ4 could be canon. It just requires a full moon and a tail. When all the Saiyans in-universe don't have them, it's kinda impossible...
• Becoming SSJ easily (Goten and Trunks) is easily explained by saying that because their fathers already were SSJ by the time of conception, it had become a natural reflex to them, rather than a barrier that needed to be broken.
• They've been able to blow up planets since the days of 9000 power levels, probably even with 1000, yet with power levels of 1B the fights are largely the same. Explain this as some sort of ki concentration, where your energy has...more energy per energy, or something?
• Goku's "telepathy" was always just him feeling someone's energy, and feeling how flustered and overwhelmed they are. He does a similar thing to Future Trunks, but it wasn't called telepathy, it was "searching his emotions" - another BS way of saying "shit, you don't look good, what's up!".
• The Dragon Balls take a year to charge, but are often usable pretty much right away - the RR army get them 8 months after they were used, and despite being used to revive Goku the Earth balls are used basically a month later because Kami is revived. Maybe just explain it as Kami needing time to revive them as they're intrinsically linked? It Kami goes on bed rest, you'll have Dragon Balls in a few weeks...
• Launch didn't disappear. She married Tien, they have kids, and she stays at home to raise them.

I could probably write a book to "fix" the show, but these fixes just tend to annoy fans because they want a "canon" answer to a show that is hilariously broken.

Karyoplasma , 11 days ago (edited 11 days ago)

They’ve been able to blow up planets since the days of 9000 power levels, probably even with 1000, yet with power levels of 1B the fights are largely the same. Explain this as some sort of ki concentration, where your energy has…more energy per energy, or something?

To be a planet killer, you need a power level of around 2500. So 1000 is not sufficient, 9000 is overkill.

It's stupid if you think about it. Instead of fighting and potentially losing, you could just blow up the planet and killing every strong fighter on it because being able to breathe in space is not a learnable technique. It's kinda like the "why use any spell other than Avada Kedavra?" in Harry Potter and the answer is, there isn't really a point.

The Dragon Balls take a year to charge, but are often usable pretty much right away - the RR army get them 8 months after they were used, and despite being used to revive Goku the Earth balls are used basically a month later because Kami is revived. Maybe just explain it as Kami needing time to revive them as they’re intrinsically linked? It Kami goes on bed rest, you’ll have Dragon Balls in a few weeks…

The Dragon Balls source their power from the guardian that governs them. So, each set has different rules set by their guardian and the guardian can also arbitrarily change those rules. When Kami was revived, he apparently changed the 1-year recharge (if I remember right this is also said by him but I might be wrong, been I while since I've watched the early arcs). A definite change occurred when Dende took over guardianship over Earth and restored the Dragon Balls and made them about as powerful as the Namekian ones.

The biggest plot device in Dragon Ball are the zenkai boosts and how inconsistent they are in both power and occurrence. The one Goku got on Namek just prior to the Frieza fight was astronomical because they made Frieza way too strong even for SSJ Goku to defeat without an asinine boost. At the end of the regular Dragon Ball, Goku had all his limbs broken and a huge hole in his chest just above the heart, certainly a terminal condition, but he received no zenkai boost at all. When Radditz showed up, Goku was just as strong as in the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai which makes absolutely zero sense. You cannot even pull the "it was just a showmatch"-card on that one because the finals were not a showmatch and Piccolo Jr fully intended to eradicate Goku to avenge his father.

Buddahriffic , 11 days ago

Plus it did work when Vegeta had Krillin beat him to near death and Dende healed him, which wasn't even a fight.

Duamerthrax , 12 days ago

“We’ve almost got some of their telecommunications cracked; the front end even runs on a laptop!” The Mac that sunk a thousand ships could have been merely clunky product placement, not a bafflingly stupid tech-on-film moment.

It was explained in a deleted scene. In Independence Day, our computers are based on reverse engineering their crashed ship. That and why would a hivemind alien race ever even need cyber security? Up to that point, they probably never encountered a scenario where a planet they were harvesting had an intelligent race on it, said intelligent race recovered a crashed ship of theirs, and said race was advanced enough reverse engineer it.

wjrii OP , 12 days ago

I might humbly suggest that whatever pacing issues the scene introduced would have been worth it in this case.

Duamerthrax , 11 days ago

Roland Emmerich is a very dumb man with a very low opinion of his audience.

echodot , 11 days ago

Same with Jurassic park 3 and the T-Rex that somehow managed to kill everyone while at the same time being still confined in the cargo bay.

The original script made perfect sense and then for some baffling reason they deleted important scenes for the theatrical release. In the original script the raptors were also in there, they got out through the small hole the T-Rex made, and then they killed everyone and jumped into the sea and swim to shore. Then for some totally bonkers reason they edited it and decided that the raptors had already been transported earlier and had nothing to do with this bit.

Which would have been fine but then they should have reshot the entire boat sequence. The problem is then they would have needed the T-Rex to have escaped. Not really sure why they didn't do that as it didn't really change the plot all that much and at least then it would have made sense.

I think the problem was that they decided late on in production that they didn't actually want to deal with the CGI of having the raptor swim in water since water is hard to do. But again they should have reshot it.

randon31415 , 12 days ago

I'm not sure this counts as a single shot, but I've always felt that I could fix "Raya and the last dragon" with one flashback right after Sisu shows Raya her petrified brothers and sisters.

Context: Sisu's plans up until this point have always revolved around 'give the bad guy a present' which never works, while Raya is 'action girl' and all her plans are fighting or running. The last shard of the dragon crystal to 'save the world' is in the hands of 'evil girl' who caused the 'magic apocalypse'. After this scene, Sisu convinces Raya to go with the give 'evil girl' a gift plan, which get Sisu killed, then later after Raya and 'evil girl' fight, she does a 180 and gives up all the dragon shards to her and 'evil girl' saves the day. So the gift thing has no resolution, and the 180 is weird. How do you fix it?

Flashback: Sisu loves giving gifts to humans. One time she gives a gift and humans fight over it. This causes the evil greed clouds to attack for the first time. Other dragons make gem, entrust Sisu with it "because the one who caused it should be the one to fix it". Flashback over, Sisu says "and I will, even if I die trying." Bam, death foreshadowing, 'evil girl' saves the day foreshadowing, reason WHY Raya does a 180 at the end, and also lore on evil greed cloud things.

wjrii OP , 12 days ago

I always thought Raya and the Last Dragon would best have been fixed by being a series. They clearly put a lot of care and detail into the world building, and a post-apocalyptic riff on ATLA with Disney money could have been really, really good. Instead, we got a movie that was just kind of okay.

Robaque , 13 days ago

...and it was all a dream.

samus12345 , 12 days ago

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frankPodmore , 13 days ago

I kinda think that if you can imagine a one-line fix to a plot hole, it isn't really a plot hole.

I remember someone insisting to me that there was this huge plot hole in the film of the Fellowship of the Ring, because Merry and Pippin don't get told about what Frodo and Sam are actually doing until the Council of Elrond, but still willingly run around risking life and limb to help them. Now, not only is this not a plot hole in itself (I'm pretty sure I'd help anyone fleeing a demonic horseman, just on principle, never mind if that person was my lifelong friend/cousin), it's also quite obvious that they could have been told everything offscreen. The audience didn't need to hear all that explanation again, five minutes after we first heard it.

A lot of plot holes people like to complain about are basically of this nature. 'Can you imagine a fix?' Yep, easily. 'Did the audience need to hear it?' Nope, because I could easily imagine it. 'Well, there you go, then.'

Voroxpete , 12 days ago

Yeah, 90% of the time someone says pothole and I hear "The story didn't spoon feed me the answer and I'm inexplicably mad about it."

In another thread just today I was pointing out that this is the result of the Cinema Sins school of criticism taking over the average person's relationship with media. People seem to genuinely think that how good or bad something is comes down to tallying up "plot holes" to come up with a sin score and calling it a day.

Plot holes are fine. Even legitimate plot holes are fine; if a story actually captures your attention and holds your emotional engagement, you won't be thinking about plot holes because you'll be too busy enjoying the story. This is Hitchcock described as Fridge Logic; problems that only occur to you hours after the movie is over and you're staring into the refrigerator trying to decide what snack to make (yes, that's the actual origin of the term). And he was very much of the opinion that this was absolutely fine; as long as any apparent inconsistency wasn't so egregious as to break suspension of disbelief right there in the moment, it could be safely ignored.

When people fixate on minor plot holes it's either because a) fundamentally the story sucks, so their mind is wandering, or b) they've trained themselves to constantly find or invent logic holes instead of actually trying to engage with what the storytelling is doing.

frezik , 13 days ago

The Kessel Run being measured in distance rather than time could have been solved with a closeup shot instead of wide angle.

The way it's scripted, Han thinks he's got two local yokels and is feeding them a line. Obi-Wan, of course, is not a yokel, and reacts to that info with a "come on, dude" kind of look. Alec Guinness does do it, but not in a noticeable way. If there was a closeup shot, it would have worked. The wider shot that went into the film makes his reaction barely noticeable.

This leads to decades of treating Han's line as actual truth and trying to figure out what he meant. Legends and Disney canon provided basically the same answer. Kessel is surrounded by black holes, and skimming closer to the event horizon would mean taking a shorter distance. Wasn't supposed to work that way, though.

stoicmaverick , 13 days ago

It mostly always just bothered me that a parsec is a unit of distance that relies on the Earth's specific orbital distance around the sun. The Faraway Galaxy of Star Wars would have no way to measure how far a parsec is.

wjrii OP , 13 days ago

Maybe the same but Coruscant?

metaStatic , 13 days ago

but speaking English is fine ...

Couldbealeotard , 13 days ago

I had a friend who was really annoyed that there was a Scottish accent in Force Awakens. I said that none of the characters are speaking English in-universe, so any and all accents are just analogies for how each character is heard. Nope. He was still annoyed because there's no Scotland in the star wars galaxy.

frankPodmore , 13 days ago

Extra weird hang-up to have, because the films have always had English and American accents side-by-side, even though there's clearly no England or America!

Anyway, it's really no different to them calling their ships X-wings and Y-wings, even though they don't use our alphabet.

Baggie , 12 days ago

Shit that x-wing thing is really gonna bug me now.

frankPodmore , 12 days ago

Sorry!

In the original cut they did use the Latin alphabet, so this is, incredibly, yet another thing George Lucas did to make the first film retroactively annoying.

Baggie , 12 days ago

Nah dw about it, it is quite funny.

samus12345 , 11 days ago

I never considered the X and Y thing! Yirt looks kind of like a V, but Vev looks like a Y, so the shape at least exists, but Xesh looks like a triangle, so no go there!

samus12345 , 11 days ago

Since the franchise is not afraid to sometimes have other languages spoken instead of absolutely everyone speaking English, it's reasonable to assume that the Basic they're speaking does indeed sound exactly as we hear it, accents and all.

Couldbealeotard , 11 days ago

There are plenty of films where the language is translated to English for the audience, and then a third language is spoken by characters to show that the characters using the primary language wouldn't understand them.

I think basic would sound different from english, and then when we see characters speak in a different language it's to show that they are multi lingual and can speak in a way that other characters wouldn't be able to understand.

samus12345 , 11 days ago

True, but since the Aurabesh seen in the background is just a different alphabet used to write English, it's a given that Basic is English.

Couldbealeotard , 11 days ago

Again, plenty of films/TV just use substitution ciphers for alien languages that are definitely not english in canon. Stargate Atlantis has Ancient text that can be deciphered into english letters, but that's just an easter egg for the fans.

If the story is translating the spoken language for the benefit of the audience, there's no reason text can't have the same justification.

samus12345 , 11 days ago

Is the ancient language ever spoken in Stargate Atlantis? I haven't seen it. It reeeeeally stretches credulity to say that Basic isn't English when we've heard them say "spaceport" and can see a sign that says "spaceport" letter for letter while using a different alphabet. If everything's being translated for our benefit, wouldn't the signs be in the Latin alphabet as well?

But of course, you can use any interpretation you like. It seems like Lucas went out of his way to make it hard to claim that a language that actually sounds different than English is being used, though.

Couldbealeotard , 11 days ago

In Stargate "Ancient" is an old latin style language (the Ancients are connected to early human civilisation) and is spoken like a variant of actual Latin when it is shown to be not understood by characters that are present. When the scene is strictly Ancients in the past the actors speak english for the benefit of the audience. I think it's worth pointing out that in Stargate, most modern aliens speak actual english for no justifiable reason.

wouldn’t the signs be in the Latin alphabet as well?

They were in the original release of Star Wars (1977). Lucas changed them to an alien alphabet, I assume to help show that basic isn't just english, but allowing nerds like us to translate them for fun. I actually think the concept of basic didn't exist when he made the first film and, like the many other changes to the series, was retroactively applied as the non-english universal language for that galaxy.

samus12345 , 11 days ago

You're correct, Aurabesh and Basic were concepts added later. Futurama did the same thing with hidden message ciphers, but the big difference is it's not supposed to be the main language that everyone is speaking. The MST3K mantra definitely applies here!

Couldbealeotard , 11 days ago

I should really just relax
la-la-la

stoicmaverick , 13 days ago

Yes it does. I'm given to understand that they also translate the film into the primary language of the region when it is shown in other countries as well. Why do you ask?

pantyhosewimp , 12 days ago

So translating from an Earthly parallax second to a Far Far Away Galactic standard parallax second also took place. Stop feigning being so thick.

stoicmaverick , 12 days ago

I know you think what you just said makes sense, but it doesn't.

samus12345 , 12 days ago

No, no, they're speaking Basic!

https://y.yarn.co/048ad0be-c310-41b3-825d-14745b122c25_text.gif

frezik , 13 days ago

Star Wars does that. Han mentions "I'll see you in hell" just before running off to find Luke on Hoth, and now there's a whole Wookiepedia entry on what "hell" is in that galaxy.

stoicmaverick , 12 days ago

I can track that though. Almost every culture on Earth has a concept of "The Bad Place" that it's possible to go after you die. I have always been meaning to check and see if the race that Luke Skywalker is, is referred to as human in canon, and if Canon has anything to say about why they look exactly like us. I suppose I could look for myself on Wookiepedia, but I know as soon as I open that website, I'm not getting anything else done today.

frezik , 12 days ago

They're human. I don't think it's been fully covered how this happened, but there was one interesting piece that didn't get published.

It combines Lucas' various other movies like THX-1138 and Indiana Jones. Earth is overrun with an AI-driven society in THX, and a group of humans get on a ship to escape. They fall through a wormhole and end up in the Star Wars universe, becoming the first humans there. Han and Chewie travel back through this wormhole, and crash land on Earth in a forest. Chewie survives, and him walking around starts a bunch of stories about Big Foot. Indiana Jones investigates, finds the remains of the Falcon and Han, and wonders why this guy looks familiar.

I think American Gothic was in there somehow, too.

Even if it did get published, I can't imagine it being taken seriously as Legends canon. Chewie was already killed off in the Yuuzhan Vong stuff with Han surviving. But that's the closest to an answer we ever got.

As it stands, Courscant is often believed to be the original human homeworld in-universe, and whatever the truth is has been lost to time. Star Wars is interesting with how old the universe feels--which is more of a Tolkein-like property than traditional science fiction--and this is a pretty good example.

stoicmaverick , 12 days ago

That's cool. Thanks. I haven't read almost any of the expanded universe stuff, but at some point I'm going to have to delve into it. My favorite part though, is the fact that a large percentage of Star wars fans, are also both professional and casual science nerds, so there are officially accepted orbital periods, and gravitational constants for basically every single planet.

JustZ , 12 days ago

Chewie died?

samus12345 , 12 days ago

Yup. Chewie died in the novels, but Han did in the movies. Go figure.

echodot , 11 days ago

So what you're saying is variant Star wars characters is going to be a thing?

Disney owned the property now so it's totally possible for the TVA to show up at some point. They may as well, It might actually make Star wars good again.

samus12345 , 11 days ago

They made the whole novel timeline non-canon, so we won't be seeing it unless they choose to pick characters from it like Pellaeon and Thrawn.

Buddahriffic , 11 days ago

Disney might have paid a bunch of money to get George Lucas to say they owned it, but as far as I'm concerned, they can only make their official Disney version of the universe and can't unmake the rest.

AlexisFR , 11 days ago

I'm pretty sure they'll have to diverge the timeline if they want to make Ashoka s02 and Thrawn matter.

CoggyMcFee , 12 days ago

Han sarcastically calls Jabba “a wonderful human being” in the special editions of ANH

stoicmaverick , 12 days ago

That's right. I forgot about that.

samus12345 , 11 days ago

The fact that the character he said it to originally was a human makes it even better.

https://preview.redd.it/i-was-today-years-old-when-i-found-out-that-jabba-the-hutt-v0-qdut4kswbpga1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=6015b06facee0d075ba93641e0773de1d831219d

samus12345 , 12 days ago

"If we can't get the shield generator fixed, we'll be sitting ducks."

And now there's a Wookieepedia entry for "duck".

lightnsfw , 11 days ago

In the Phasma book there's a stormtrooper with red armor named Cardinal "like the bird". I wanted to throw the book across the room when I read that but I was reading it on my tablet so I restrained myself.

samus12345 , 11 days ago

There was a Star Wars novel where the author liked using the phrase "Soandso looked at Sosandso like he'd turned into a huge spider."

Silentiea , 11 days ago

The silly thing is that they feel a need to justify it. They're speaking English, every single word they say carries an incredible history of the world we live in from Rome to the speakers of Old Norse and otherwise. The simplest solution is a handwave: the creators translated everything out of Galactic Basic for you.

Honytawk , 13 days ago

"The red fabric attracts phaser fire and other dangers"

Bizarroland , 12 days ago

Okay, yes, well, good, but why the fuck would Starfleet make their uniforms out of danger enhancing materials? That is like some 4D chess fucking eugenics program going on here.

echodot , 11 days ago

Anyone stupid enough to wear the uniform deserves to get shot. They obviously fixed the problem by TNG so command were able to flex a little bit.

lightnsfw , 10 days ago

To keep the important people from getting shot. Same reason batman makes robin wear a flashy costume.

Kolanaki , 13 days ago

There's a YouTube series called "how it should have ended" and 90% of them are basically answers to this question lol

rikudou , 12 days ago

Totally forgot about HISHE! Gonna have to check them out again.

Bizarroland , 13 days ago

Then back to the Future part 2, Marty McFly should have arrived in the future where he disappeared 30 years ago and his children were never born.

Even if he did arrive history should have begun reverting itself, as his disappearance from the past should have altered the present until he returns.

As long as he experienced no ghosting effects, that would have meant that he was functionally immortal until he returned back to the present.

That entire scenario could have been avoided if doc Brown had said we've got a few hours until the universe begins to rectify the fact that you are not in the past with the temporal causality of the present future

AtariDump , 13 days ago

It’s in a deleted scene; old Biff starts to disappear first as he’s the most affected (think the picture in BTTF1)

afraid_of_zombies , 13 days ago

The black liquid was never a bioweapon it was made as an insecticide. Why, what did you people do with it?

CheeseNoodle , 13 days ago

Honestly that entire movie was a plothole given the origins of the xenomorphs is already established.

blazera , 13 days ago

In Frozen 2, the elemental spirits have trapped a kingdom in a magical barrier for many years as punishment for building a dam to stop a river. The day is "saved" by an earth spirit incidentally destroying the dam and freeing the river. There was this whole thing about the spirits calling out to Elsa to come and save them, but apparently the spirits had the ability the whole time to break the dam. The whole plot was basically pointless. Maybe instead they needed Elsa to break the dam, or needed to combine their powers.

constantokra , 12 days ago

Not going to pretend that Frozen 2 is my favorite movie, but having seen it dozens of times with my kids...

The dam wasn't the problem. It was a symbol of the problem, which was the rift between the 2 peoples living in such close proximity. Nature is indifferent, people are not. Nature doesn't care if there's a dam, it just becomes a different habitat. People should have cared about impacting each other's way of life.

Nature removed the dam, and the barrier to the people coming together, when the responsible parties decided to right their wrongs and consider each other, regardless of the high cost. Even if that's not the case, the story remains that nature's power has to be harnessed to a purpose by people. But I think they were going for the former.

Anyway, not a great movie, but also not a plot hole.

njm1314 , 12 days ago

I don't think the spirits are trapped in that scenario though are they? I mean they're not trying to escape. It's more like a restitution thing. Like they want you to come clean up the mess.

Jakdracula , 13 days ago

“Eagles can’t fly us to Mt. Doom because of a magic curse or some shit”-
Gandalf to the council in Lord of the Rings

themusicman , 13 days ago

I think that one's pretty well explained (albeit not explicitly) by the presence of the Nazgul and the eye of Sauron, which were either destroyed or otherwise occupied when the eagles made their rescue. People pretend Mordor had no airborne defenses for the bit, but it doesn't really make sense

squirrelwithnut , 13 days ago

The Eye was proven to not be all-seeing or all-knowing. Same with the Ring Wraiths. And Orcs were shown numerous times to be inept guards.

So have an eagle fly Frodo to Mt. Doom on a night with a new moon, above the clouds. There is no way they would be spotted. A curse, while stupid, is the only explanation that really puts this plot hole to rest IMO.

themusicman , 13 days ago

Doesn't have to be all seeing to spot a fucking eagle lol. This is akin to "Gandalf should've teleported the ring to Mordor, it never explicitly said he couldn't"

Kolanaki , 13 days ago

I mean... Why didn't he? 🤔

JustZ , 12 days ago

I saw something maybe yesterday that was like, Samwise could carry frodo without being affected by the ring, so why didn't they just tape the ring to a small animal and put it in a bag, and carry the bag to Mordor?

I'll tell you that council didn't think very hard before concluding "one of us must physically carry it all the way there."

Soggy , 12 days ago

That only applies to the movie, and anyway it's easily explained by the The Ring not wanting to switch to Sam in that moment. In the book Sam totally puts on the ring to trick some orcs and it tries to tempt him with the power of gardening really well.

The Ring would reach out and influence people around the bag. The Ring would tempt whichever eagle carried Frodo. It had to be a being that had enough control to keep hold of The Ring but not enough ambition to be controlled by it. And even then IIRC it wasn't actually possible to destroy it willingly, Eru Ilúvatar stepped in and gave Gollum a tiny nudge off the cliff.

feedum_sneedson , 11 days ago

That tactic might actually work on me. Imagine being that good at gardening, it would be amazing.

rikudou , 13 days ago

The best explanation would be the actual one - they don't give a shit about Middle-Earth.

JustZ , 12 days ago

This is exactly right. They were just busy with important eagle business.

bigkahuna1986 , 13 days ago

Mordor probably had some javelins too.

setsneedtofeed , 13 days ago

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/2c51d624-0919-48f8-a838-f4c61dfbd57e.jpeg

Crack0n7uesday , 13 days ago

In the books it's explained that the eagles were involved in a war of their own during the first two books and couldn't send help without risking their own destruction. There's actually a part in the books where frodo is like "why didn't the eagles just fly us" lol.

rustyfish , 13 days ago

“So, we started using teleportation now.”

• Everyone in Game of Thrones from season 6 onward.

wjrii OP , 13 days ago

Did you just win the thread? I think you just won the thread.

Kedly , 12 days ago

Your comment's weird, but not downvote level weird? Certainly not more downvotes than upvotes level weird... are people reading this comment in different ways?

wjrii OP , 12 days ago

Ha! How about that. I didn't even know my dumb joke was getting downvotes. Either we've got some people who really prefer other responses, or we found the last bastion of late-season GoT fans on the internet.

rustyfish , 12 days ago

I wouldn’t think about it too much. People downvote for the strangest reasons. Also OP doesn’t care and didn’t even notice. Which is the best take on votes I think.

Kedly , 11 days ago

I was just pointing out an extra oddity tbh. I dont particularly care myself as well

feedum_sneedson , 11 days ago

It's a bit Reddit-y, that's probably why.

CileTheSane , 11 days ago

It's probably just a "this comment could have been an upvote" situation.

RvTV95XBeo , 12 days ago

Matt Smith's character in HOTD is actually The Eleventh Doctor, during his several hundred year run off screen. He spends much of GoT working to remember where he left the TARDIS, so that he could ferry the plot along in S6+

FaceDeer , 13 days ago

even if it demanded Simone Biles levels of mental gymnastics to save Carrie Fisher's most emotionally resonant moment from ROTJ

I don't think it's "gymnastics" to imagine that an orphan toddler might end up with some false memories of what she imagines her mother was like.

What I'd rather have had as a tiny change to "improve" the situation would be to confirm that Palpatine used some kind of Dark Side alchemy to drain Padme's life to keep Vader alive, I really like that notion. Wouldn't need to be with dialogue, even, just have some kind of scene showing Palpatine meditating and channeling something.

Bizarroland , 13 days ago

And also, I personally think that vaders redemption at the end of episode 6 was false.

Vader killed billions of people. He destroyed an entire planet for the lulz.

And he was a whiny little shit his entire life before becoming Vader.

One tiny little moment of redemption is not enough to undo all the shit he did.

It is my opinion that the force ghosts shown at the end of episode 6 are being created by Luke Skywalker to assuage his own mental trauma of the series of events that had let him to that point.

He did that so he can tell himself that he is a hero, that he is not a failed Jedi, that all of the pain and suffering he had been through was worth it.

The only reason why Leia could sort of see them was because she was tuned into his force power

TheRealKuni , 13 days ago

That “little moment of redemption” was him fulfilling his destiny and bringing balance to the Force. He doesn’t become a Force ghost because he’s been like, forgiven of his sins or something. He becomes a Force ghost because he dies at peace in the Force.

You can have your headcanon about the Force ghosts and Luke being insane if you’d like, I’m not trying to like, fight you on it or anything. But it sort of misses the point, in my opinion.

bionicjoey , 13 days ago

For whatever reason, people love headcanons that rely on the main protagonist hallucinating and us the audience being dragged down into insanity with them. There is a fan theory out there that Cameron in Ferris Bueller's Day Off is a figment of Ferris' imagination. It's really bonkers stuff but people love this style of fan theory for some reason.

frankPodmore , 13 days ago

You're right and it's very weird, because it's not at all interesting to think of films this way. Basically, the form it takes is:

None of this film is real!

But... I knew that already? It's a film?

Bizarroland , 12 days ago

I have a follow-up head Canon about the movie Evil Dead 2, in that what we are seeing is Ash telling us the story of what happened and how his girlfriend got her head chopped off with a shovel.

That would explain the camp, The Three stooges comedy and the over-the-top bizarre this guy is just so cool he can't be killed even by an army of the Dead even when he sucked into the past like A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court.

This is held up by the revised ending to army of darkness where he's telling this story to a girl in Kmart sorry, S Mart to impress her as if having a home-built robotic hand wasn't impressive efuckingnough.

zalgotext , 13 days ago (edited 13 days ago)

And he was a whiny little shit his entire life before becoming Vader.

Nah, he was cool as fuck as a pod racing eight year old or whatever.

He was a particularly angsty* teen, I'll give you that, but he was also kinda being constantly left in the dark by his weird religious magi cult who wanted him to be their chosen one, so like, I can understand why his rebellious streak would be so big.

I do ultimately agree though, no amount of "redemption" can bring someone back from nuking an entire fucking planet.