fruitycoder ,

Libertarians

Socialists

But even more so libertarian socialists

Iā€™ve just using that label because it was just a guerenteed fight starter instead of clarifying anything

Cowbee ,

Libertarian Capitalists get hate correctly, others not so much.

Omega_Haxors ,

Last major Libertarian Socialist just got outed for having porn of a horse ----ing a child. If that doesnā€™t sum up the ideology IDK what does.

Uncle_sure ,

Israel

If you hate jews - itā€™s nice to concentrate them in the limited area just in case. If you love them - itā€™s great that they live in the same land as 5000 years before.

Britain has been supporting the establishment of a ā€œnational home for the Jewish peopleā€ since 1917 (Balfour Declaration). Why after 107 years so many people want to play on the side of Ottoman imperialism and oppress indigenous jewish people?

If a few millions of alive jews was a real problem for the 460 millions of arabs (and 1.8 billion of muslims), the Final Solution to the Jewish Question would be already reached.

Ok, you donā€™t need much to hate brown people with strange religion, understandable. But itā€™s really hard to make proper genocide. Even the Germans killed only 6 millions of jews, I donā€™t believe that Hamas with its corruption will manage to kill even 1 million. So all remaining 9 millions will come to your country and will infinitely ask for help.

The best action would be to accommodate all the Palestinian people that want to come to your country. They will ramp up fertility, number of mosques and Allah possibly will not send you, infidels to hell.

The love for arabs shuld be productive. If the West help Hamas to make Palestine ā€œFrom the river to the seaā€, it will destroy the only democracy in the middle east. But if the West accommodates all faithful muslims, theyā€™ll definitely forgive infidelā€™s sins and become liberals

TheControlled ,

Clowns. I never found them entertaining, but they just want to entertain kids and people at circuses.

Today ,

But theyā€™re so damned scary!!! I think itā€™s the expression/lack of expression. I donā€™t know, but definitely terrifying!!

TheControlled ,

I just donā€™t see how theyā€™re scary I guess ĀÆā \ā (ā ā—‰ā ā€æā ā—‰ā )ā /ā ĀÆ

spittingimage ,
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Yeah. And only a minority of them are sex killers.

TheControlled ,

I mean 1 out of infinity is a minority, right?

Rinna , (edited )
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Male abuse/SA victims. Itā€™s already not taken seriously enough when it happens to women, but when it happens to a guy they get put down even more and told to ā€œman upā€, sometimes even by people whoā€™d support them if the sexes were swapped.

Baahb ,

Being one of those victims, itā€™s honestly worse than that. My (very former) best friend went on to marry and raise kids with the woman that he knew SAā€™d me.

dfc09 ,

Even more so, itā€™s turned into a hot button topic where people will be actively pissed of at you if you try to bring it up in discussion, calling it a ā€œdog whistleā€ for nazi / anti-women ideology.

Rinna ,
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Iā€™m a female queer SA survivor if they ever try that bullshit on me lmao.

thebardingreen , (edited )
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Iā€™m a cishet white male feminist and proud allyā€¦ And it took me years to process my own sexual assault as an assault. I was supposed to be happy that it happened and I got to fuck a pretty girl, right? So my confusing feelings about it must have been stupid and out of place, even though I was drunk and having an emotional breakdown when it happened. Even later on, I considered it a ā€œbad decisionā€ until a woman I was with challenged me to reverse the genders. She said something like ā€œImagine Iā€™m drunk, having an emotional breakdown, abandoned by my friends and end up at the apartment of a man I barely know because they left without me and no one made sure I got home OK. This man starts kissing me, undresses me, lays me in his bed, starts going down on me and then puts his penis in meā€¦ with NO protection or discussion. He never asks if Iā€™m OK with it, never asks if I want to, he just does this to me. What just happened to me??ā€ And I was like ā€œOh yeah! That IS what happened to me!ā€

But NOW I frame it as a way toxic masculinity / patriarchy is bad /harmful to men and when I frame it that way I get ZERO hate. Toxic masculinity told me I was supposed to want that to happen to me, supposed to brag about it to my friends, supposed to collect the memory as a notch on my belt. The patriarchy told me it was my right and privilege to have a woman fuck me and take care of me like that. Toxic masculinity also told HER her behaviour was OK, that OBVIOUSLY a man would be into it, that I was getting lucky and I should be happy and excited a hot girl like her would want to do that to me. I forgave her easily, because Iā€™m SURE she didnā€™t process it as SA eitherā€¦ for the same bullshit cultural reasons.

Male SA survivors get hate because they they get pedestalized and used by MRA assholes as reasons to ā€œbhut whut aboutā€¦ā€ at feminism. And THAT is unfortunately real. I donā€™t think people hate Male SA survivors, I think they hate MRA bullshit and with good reason.

DLSantini ,

MSG

Omega_Haxors ,

I learned the hatred/fear of MSG comes from white supremacists feeling threatened by Asian food, so they demonized what made it awesome.

Original ,

I always hear this one, it really isnā€™t bad for you it seems

Disco_Dougie ,

MSG is an objectively good flavor.

ICastFist ,
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The idea of using public transportation. Itā€™s something for ā€œthemā€ (the poor), not for ā€œmeā€ (rich). Changes significantly from country to country, I suppose, but itā€™s a prevalent thought here.

WeirdGoesPro ,
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Public transportation is good. Sanitation on public transportation in America is bad.

I got very adept at touching nothing while riding a bumpy subway car in New York, but even that couldnā€™t always save me from the puddle of piss that ran like a heat seeking stream from the legs of the mentally ill.

dingus ,

Idk at least in the US, riding a train is a nice experience. I liked it. But riding busses is often rather unpleasant. But I only have limited experience to only a portion of the US.

cali_ash ,

here

That certainly clears things up ā€¦

Cataphract ,

Is that necessary to clear up though? Itā€™s a perfectly fine anecdotal statement that doesnā€™t require exacts unless youā€™re just trying to argue theyā€™re wrong. No one else is having problems responding with the information provided.

ICastFist ,
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

Brazil as a whole. Better?

KingThrillgore ,
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I noticed in the States that if its a bus, its a chariot for the poor. If its a train, its for everyone.

knexcar ,

TBF considering how slow/unreliable and infrequent it tends to be, itā€™s hard to believe anyone would use it if they didnā€™t have other options. Even in my city (where buses run 30 minutes instead of every hour as is common elsewhere), it takes an hour and 15 minutes to get somewhere thatā€™s a straight 15 minute freeway drive by car. And itā€™s worse in larger cities where buses are delayed by traffic such that you miss your transfer.

And itā€™s not like improvements like BRT or light rail will change it much considering how often they run in boulevards with 35mph speed limits and stop lights vs the 65mph grade separated freeways. Even a grade separated subway would be slower than driving unless it had spaced out stops, but then walking to said stops would take a lot of time (plus we couldnā€™t afford one, especially not one that actually serves the sprawl).

Under these conditions, itā€™s understandable to not even bother considering it as an option.

pingveno ,

I am by no means poor and I save a lot of money by not having a car, but the fact of the matter is that people give me rides more than I would like. Even in Portland, a city with relatively good transit for its size given that itā€™s in the US, most of the city is still quite inaccessible.

Cowbee ,

Socialism/Communism/Anarchism. Barely anyone who actually understands them and the theory supporting them hates them, but tons of people have been fed Red Scare propaganda on the matter.

RobertOwnageJunior ,

Maybe because most real life examples of those systems havenā€™t worked out great.

Cowbee ,

Why?

PineRune ,

I think most real-life examples have been plagued by corruption to the point that they fall into a different category altogether.

Cowbee ,

Historical examples, like Revolutionary Catalonia for Anarchism, and the USSR, Cuba, Maoist China, Vietnam, etc. for Marxism-Leninism, absolutely count as Socialist and should be learned from, both the good and bad.

If you dismiss them as ā€œnot real Socialism,ā€ you fail to learn from what did work in those instances, like literacy rates and life expectancy skyrocketing. If you dismiss the bad, you make the equal mistake of not accounting for the flaws in systems like Soviet Democracy, which resulted in a corrupt Politburo with outsized power.

Study them in detail and find what to take and what to leave behind.

federatingIsTooHard ,
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communism is a classless stateless moneyless society. is that how youā€™d describe any of those societies? i wouldnā€™t. because itā€™s not true. but there are certainly anarchist and communist societies that have existed.

UnrepententProcrastinator ,

I think we should learn from that. Maybe all forms of power solely resting within the governing function invites corruption.

I havenā€™t given up yet on it because capitalism is definitely not working right now but there is a form of communism that you can have an informed and rational fear of.

Cowbee ,

Generally, if you have a system where more powerful people are more influential, you invite yourself to corruption.

In Capitalism, this expresses itself in Capitalists buying politicians.

In Marxism-Leninism, this is expressed in the upper Soviets becoming more entrenched and corrupt.

The solution for Socialism is to make the upper rungs directly accountable to the masses. The solution for Capitalism is to abolish Capitalism.

nitefox ,
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The solution to corruption is to stop being human. There, I said it.

Cowbee ,

Nah, just make systems that are resistant to it and more accountable to the masses. Simple.

nitefox ,
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Like ancient Athens! It failed obviously.

Or like Ancient Rome! It failed, obviously.

Or like any modern democracy! It failed, obviously.

The problem is that ā€œmassesā€ are truly a reflection of their government and vice versa, more so in a democracy. You take for a given ā€œthe massā€ takes good decisions but this, again, works only in the ideal world.

And if you think things are better than the past, think again: internet and social media spread so much crap and allowed people to talk too freely, so now you get Joe the Farmer believing he is some sort of genius cause he knows that there is big plot and the corps are covering it up; you get Dalila the economist believe she knows anything about software development; you get Dario the cheese eater believe he is a medievalist just because he read (and ate) ā€œthe cheese and the wormsā€. And all of this people wouldnā€™t give shit about the ā€œso-calledā€ experts, cause they studied it on eatashit.altervista.org so they must know better than the college-cuck

Cowbee ,

The problem with democracy isnā€™t democracy, but allowing people with entrenched power to control the flow of information in their favor, vs the masses. Democracy is a good system.

nitefox ,
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I donā€™t disagree with you but how do you prevent misinformation, manipulation and polarisation?

Cowbee ,

Remove power structures that are inherently unjustly hierarchical, and remove the profit motive in general.

People profit from misinformation and entrenched power, if they donā€™t have that then democracy works better.

nitefox ,
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That goes for anything, every system ever made by humans. Even the first forms of democracy, including direct democracy, falls under this umbrella. After all in the theory-world, where everything is ideal, humans do behave good so communism (but any form of good government is possible, even anarchy or a good autocracy).

In the real world, though, humans behave like humans so you get corruption and weird power play. So even if you got a nice working system where every human support society, it will inevitably fail under corruption after the first generations of those who put in place such a system die; which is exactly what happens throughout history each time, even in Athens.

Tldr: theoretical perfect system cannot exist in practice since we are flawed creatures

federatingIsTooHard ,
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yes, they have

RIP_Cheems ,
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Name one that didnā€™t end with a dictator or mistreat/scare its citizens into submission.

federatingIsTooHard ,
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the swamp maroons

OurToothbrush ,

Cuba, a poor blockaded small island nation, has a higher life expectancy than the global hegemon and richest nation ever

The USSR went from a monarchist backwater to a industrial society, defeating the nazis and sending the first satellite into space, in the span of 40 years.

China, under socialism, is now on track to shatter US hegemony through the power of socialist economic management and mutually beneficial cooperation.

rottingleaf ,

Historians studying them donā€™t hate, true, but we also donā€™t hate plague or dog shit on the road.

Cowbee ,

Thatā€™s a bit of a non-answer, isnā€™t it? Iā€™m clearly referring to implementing leftist structures today, not historically.

rottingleaf ,

Never tried for real, I see.

Why would one hate right ideas then, of the libertarian kind.

Cowbee ,

Read my other comment, it absolutely has been tried. If your point is that the relatively few historical examples are a sufficient sampling of data to determine that people sharing tools can never work, then Iā€™m afraid you donā€™t understand numbers, nor historical analysis.

You can learn from what has and has not worked, and analyze structures. Itā€™s possible! You just have to do it.

rottingleaf ,

If your point is ā€¦

You know, of course, that the answer to that ā€œifā€ is usually ā€œnoā€, and this is called a strawman argument.

ā€¦ then Iā€™m afraid ā€¦

No reason to be afraid! Sing and dance and hug your family, friends and house animals.

ā€¦ relatively few historical examples ā€¦ people sharing tools ā€¦

People have been sharing tools since eating less fortunate breeds of people, the optimal architecture of that is the point of contention.

Cowbee ,

More dodging, great! Whatā€™s your point?

rottingleaf ,

Iā€™ve literally finished my comment with it.

Cowbee ,

You pretended you had a point, but left it open.

rottingleaf ,

Leaving it open is a valid political position of making efficiency more important than ideology.

I donā€™t know which architectures may be invented in the future to work, Iā€™m not against them coming from leftist premises, but Iā€™ve met fewer leftists interested in even imagining them than libertarians or even conservatives.

When most leftists are too busy with hating on groups of people and thinking about what others own, itā€™s really hard to talk to them about anything real.

Cowbee ,

Efficiency is more important than ideology, correct. Thatā€™s why Iā€™m a leftist.

Donā€™t worry, leftists arenā€™t hating on groups of people (except fascists), just inefficient and failing systems. Itā€™s the right that hates on groups of people.

rottingleaf ,

Leftist ideologies include dogmatic statements. Just like all other ideologies. Otherwise we wouldnā€™t use the word ā€œideologyā€ at all.

If this were true, youā€™d say that left ideas are the closest to your expectation of whatā€™s best and thatā€™d be fine, and not call yourself leftist. Now itā€™s as if you are putting ideology above practice.

Which would be the same as me always feeling as if I were lying while, say, saying that Iā€™m a libertarian or a distributist, because I have no permanent attachment to any ideology, just these seem sane now. So I rarely say that and feel bad when I do.

Which efficient and not failing systems does your kind of leftists propose?

Cowbee ,

Thatā€™s entirely stupid. Ideologies arenā€™t about dogmatism, but about coherent groups of conclusions based on underlying analysis.

Itā€™s pretty telling that you out yourself as a Libertarian though, lmao.

I propose worker ownership of the Means of Production.

rottingleaf ,

Ideologies arenā€™t about dogmatism, but about coherent groups of conclusions based on underlying analysis.

This sentence translates to choosing a model and then trying to hammer the reality to fit under it. Which is obviously dogmatism.

The funniest part is that leftist pseudointellectualism, where there is no actual discussion happening, but a leftist thinks there is because of the tone they use. Also hints at them acting this way in other situations, that is, being used to dogmatism.

Without dogmatism people change models like tools, each one for its own job. They donā€™t call themselves any kind of -ist.

Itā€™s pretty telling that you out yourself as a Libertarian though, lmao.

Literally the opposite of what Iā€™ve said, lmao. Reading comprehension skills on par with your self-identification.

Olhonestjim ,

Well, those who most benefit from the status quo also understand those concepts quite well, but oppose them.

rekabis ,

If only there wasnā€™t a wealthy, parasitic, world-dominating country which would violently overthrow (or at least try) any country which didnā€™t kowtow to capitalism, and the Parasite Class.

Zehzin ,
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Possums. They are immune to rabies and eat disease-spreading ticks. Salute your local possum

jbd ,

Opossum

BradleyUffner ,

Both are correct.

jbd ,

But one is ambiguous.

cheese_greater ,

U mean o-mbiguous hehe

Zargag ,

Australian possums in NZ destroy the ecosystem. North American possums in North America are cool though

PopcornPrincess ,

Satanists get persecuted a lot; although, they do a lot to protect religious freedom.

adorable_yangire ,
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most satanists are just cute in personality lol

nitefox ,
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Lucifer was kinda right ngl

TheControlled ,

And most of them are just trolling-atheists/agnostics.

chetradley ,

Itā€™s important to note that when you hear a story about Satanists using freedom of religion to install a statue of baphomet in a public space, or citing religious freedom acts to protect safe access to abortion, youā€™re hearing about the Satanic Temple. When you hear about Satanists practicing ā€œchaos magickā€ or talking about how liking blue cheese means youā€™re gay, youā€™re hearing about the Church of Satan. Hereā€™s a handy reference from TST: https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/6395638e-fd1c-4636-963b-c86edd9fdac3.jpeg

pivot_root ,

I really should get around to setting up a recurrent donation to TST at some point. Especially with the recent stuff theyā€™ve done to oppose fundamentalist religions being given special privileges in state government and education, they deserve more ongoing funding.

dutchkimble ,

Oh man I didnā€™t know they didnā€™t believe in an actual Satan!

moitoi ,

Poverty.

afraid_of_zombies ,

Comic sans.

It is literally a font. Sometimes when some corporate partner is annoying me I will pdf lock a document, with a signature, to them in comic sans.

Melatonin ,

Ugly-ass Nancy and Sluggo looking shit, what are you, five? Take that comic sans tf out of here.

pivot_root ,

His point demonstrated.

morbidcactus ,

Itā€™s also supposed to be an accessible/helpful font for dyslexics.

saigot ,

Thatā€™s a happy accident not an intentional feature of the font. I think modern fonts that specifically target dyslexia are preferred, Iā€™ve heard good stuff about opendyslexic.org

ohlaph ,

My soup. So ehat i

BigTrout75 ,

Head cheese

Ambrosia salad

UnfortunateDoorHinge ,

Living in apartments.

In a lot of cities and towns living in apartments is seen as something that young adults who are renting short term do, and definitely not families or older couples.

Living in an apartment is considerably cheaper for my situation. I drive so much less, I pay for less power, and I have all this parkland around me.

Iā€™m a car guy and I donā€™t have a garage, thatā€™s annoying, but I commute by escooter now and drive on the weekends. Itā€™s much better.

GnomeKat ,
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trans people

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