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After the only hospital in town closed, a North Carolina city directs its ire at politicians ( apnews.com )

Weeds have punctured through the vacant parking lot of Martin General Hospital’s emergency room. A makeshift blue tarp covering the hospital’s sign is worn down from flapping in the wind. The hospital doors are locked, many in this county of 22,000 fear permanently....

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No hospital should be run for profit, period.

Exclusive: Tesla doing damage-control, discounts for European fleet buyers ( www.reuters.com )

LONDON, May 20 (Reuters) - Tesla is working to appease some European leasing companies after the automaker’s repeated retail price cuts tanked their fleets’ value and its slow service and expensive repairs alienated their corporate customers....

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They also refuse to replace individual battery cells which may need service, and they insist you buy an entirely new battery altogether.

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The famous pipe. How people reproached me for it! And yet, could you stuff my pipe? No, it's just a representation, is it not? So if I had written on my picture "This is a pipe", I'd have been lying!

— René Magritte

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I think it should be younger. Maybe 65.

Members of Congress and SCOTUS should also have term limits

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I found this very interesting:

Persuading the BBC not to describe sperm whale clicks as “language” in their Blue Planet II series was the highlight of my science communication career. Why? 

A lot of complex communication is going on in cetaceans, much of which we still don’t understand. However, I am convinced that we should drop the stifling and anthropocentric focus on language. It crowds out other perspectives on what is going on – for example, the relationship between rhythm-based communication and music might be a better way to understand the bonding function of coda synchrony in sperm whales.

We should be wary of ranking species on a single dimension relative to humans, as if all evolution is a path to something like us (much like early anthropologists ranked societies by their progress toward western “perfection”). Instead, let’s take ourselves off the top of the ladder and see other animals as distinct branches of an evolutionary tree.

I find great logic in the argument of understanding animal communications in relation to the animals themselves rather than their relation to us.

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An actual book stores more data than that and for longer. At that point, why not just etch the data onto a metal plate or something? 8K is only a few pages of text at 12pt. It could easily fit onto two sides of a small-ish metal plate, etched in 8pt or so, and it would last, potentially, for millennia.

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What’s the practical benefit of that? If the point is long-term storage, rewriting isn’t a priority (or possibly even a need). And this isn’t designed for capacity.

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It’s FRAM, which has been around for ages. The problem is its prohibitive cost— hence the 8k.

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You wouldn’t use a car to race in the Kentucky Derby

Rescuers struggle to find helicopter carrying Iranian president (live updates) ( www.washingtonpost.com )

A helicopter carrying Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi** **crashed in foggy weather Sunday, according to state-run media, which said Iranian Foreign Minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian and other officials were also on board. Their condition is not yet known, and the helicopter has not been found.

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Personally, I’m hoping for magic carpet ride with a genie across the desert …

But you’re probably right…

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I really like the 15th Doctor. Ncuti is doing a great job, and RTD really seems to know what to do with him. I really haven’t heard any complaints other than some people whining that the new season is a bit too “fantasy”, but, like, have you ever seen the show?

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May I introduce you to the term “police work stoppage”

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Try to get that past the union

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It wasn’t racism (this time), just an antiquated and sexist attitude towards who should get to wear white wedding dresses (Megan is a divorcée).

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  1. I’m not seeing that this is the case here. Wearing white wedding dresses is traditionally only for “virgins”. The Queen was the head of the Church of England. It might even be unusual for a 90-year-old head of the church, not to object to something like this.
  2. I think this is a stretch, and assuming rather a lot about someone you don’t know
  3. The queen did object to Camilla wearing a white dress when she married Charles
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Ugh, title gore. Shame on the editor for letting that alliterative train wreck go to press.

A-C-A-A-C-C-A-A-S

Ugh…

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No, it’s proving that you’re wrong with evidence to back up my claims that your “beliefs” on this subject are clearly based on ignorance.

Your choice to gamble your health and well-being on that ignorance is your own responsibility.

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There’s that convenient amnesia again!

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There’s that amnesia again! You asked and I answered this question an hour ago:

You already produced that evidence when you commented…every time you comment. And I point it out every time. Just like the ad hominem attacks. But you seem to have serious memory problems.

It’s irrational to blame others for things you, yourself, do and say.

Now you’re just Sealioning

Sealioning (also sea-lioning and sea lioning) is a type of trolling or harassment that consists of pursuing people with relentless requests for evidence, often tangential or previously addressed, while maintaining a pretense of civility and sincerity ("I'm just trying to have a debate"), and feigning ignorance of the subject matter.[1][2][3][4] It may take the form of "incessant, bad-faith invitations to engage in debate",[5] and has been likened to a  denial-of-service attack targeted at human beings.[6] The term originated with a 2014 strip of the webcomicWondermark by David Malki,[7] which The Independent called "the most apt description of Twitter you'll ever see".

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You have to respond to the request with evidence first.

I have. Repeatedly. I even quoted the answer I gave an hour ago to this question in the comment you replied to. Theres that amnesia again!

I’m just asking for evidence repeatedly that you refuse to produce repeatedly because it doesn’t exist

No, you’re just Sealioning

Sealioning (also sea-lioning and sea lioning) is a type of trolling or harassment that consists of pursuing people with relentless requests for evidence, often tangential or previously addressed, while maintaining a pretense of civility and sincerity ("I'm just trying to have a debate"), and feigning ignorance of the subject matter.[1][2][3][4] It may take the form of "incessant, bad-faith invitations to engage in debate",[5] and has been likened to a  denial-of-service attack targeted at human beings.[6] The term originated with a 2014 strip of the webcomicWondermark by David Malki,[7] which The Independent called "the most apt description of Twitter you'll ever see".

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I just re-read all 127 comments in this thread and haven’t found any evidence that you’ve produced.

In the past three or so minutes since your last comment? That’s an obvious lie.

Sealioning is when you’ve already produced it

I have. There’s that amnesia again!

and I ask for it again or more

Which is exactly what you keep doing

not when I ask for evidence that you’re not producing because you never have and it doesn’t exist.

This is a scenario that you just invented and which didn’t happen. The evidence in the comments here confirms this. Your failure to accept the evidence and the fact is not evidence that I did not present facts and evidence. You’re in inability to understand that is also not my responsibility.

It’s also an example of the Circular reasoning fallacy

Circular reasoning (Latincirculus in probando, "circle in proving";[1] also known as circular logic) is a logical fallacy in which the reasoner begins with what they are trying to end with.[2] Circular reasoning is not a formal logical fallacy, but a pragmatic defect in an argument whereby the premises are just as much in need of proof or evidence as the conclusion, and as a consequence the argument fails to persuade. Other ways to express this are that there is no reason to accept the premises unless one already believes the conclusion, or that the premises provide no independent ground or evidence for the conclusion.[3] Circular reasoning is closely related to begging the question, and in modern usage the two generally refer to the same thing.[4]

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Another personal attack because you can’t make a rational argument.

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You told me I couldn’t read 127 comment in the nearly seven minutes between comments.

No I didn’t. I said that your claim was an obvious lie. You’re welcome to prove otherwise with evidence, but, given the body of your behavior here during this discussion, I’m certain you would lie in order to “win” or “score points” in this argument, regardless of how silly or pointless the lie. your entire comment history here represents a dishonest representation of yourself when convenient.

I did and had time to respond to you but you don’t believe me because you must read slower.

There’s that zero-sum worldview again, where the only way you could do better is if someone else does worse. That’s the zero-sum bias

Zero-sum bias is a cognitive bias towards zero-sum thinking; it is people's tendency to intuitively judge that a situation is zero-sum, even when this is not the case.[4] This bias promotes zero-sum fallacies, false beliefs that situations are zero-sum. Such fallacies can cause other false judgements and poor decisions.[5][6] In economics, "zero-sum fallacy" generally refers to the fixed-pie fallacy.

Do you often invent fantasies about strangers online when you’ve gambled foolishly on an argument you can’t win? Seems like a coping mechanism with very little payoff and a lot of toxicity.

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That’s your problem, not mine. Unlike you, I have no problem backing up my claims… and very well know better than to tell ridiculous lies.

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You continue to refuse to back up your claims.

There’s that amnesia again! I’ve provided evidence repeatedly. All you can do is sealion.

You’re acting like the anti-abortion activists right now

More personal attacks because you have no rational response.

being completely unable to hear the other side of the conversation.

Except when I read and responded to every single thing you said. Just because I used evidence to prove you wrong over and over and over again - and you ignored it every time - doesn’t mean I didn’t listen to you— it proves that I did.

I’m acting like the pro-choice people putting out well thought out arguments backed up by facts and logic and a heathy dose of freedom and personal responsibility.

Another coping mechanism fantasy you”ve invented; this didn’t happen. But, if your “beliefs” still hold that this happened, please link to the facts and evidence and so-called “logic”. This should be interesting considering that you don’t even understand how health insurance works, what it’s for, or the definition of the word “gambling”.

As I’ve said several times before: you’re free to your “beliefs”, but the facts and evidence contradict them.

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My religion says gambling is a sin.

Irrelevant to the discussion and a straw man

Insurance of any sort is a gambling as Ned from The Simpsons proves in his quote from the 8th episode of the 8th season of The Simpsons.

Fictional characters in a cartoon are not a source of reliable, verifiable facts, especially regarding healthcare and/or economic advice. And, wow, if you’re telling me that you base your financial and healthcare decisions (not to mention your religious convictions) based on a line from The Simpsons, then don’t simultaneously claim that you’re making a rational argument based on logic and facts. “Ned from The Simpsons said it” is a claim so ridiculous it really proves how desperate you are to hold onto your “beliefs” in the face of facts, evidence, and actual logic.

Now, you’re free to disagree but you haven’t been able to disprove either of those facts that together form an air-tight case for what I’m saying.

It’s your responsibility to prove your claims, not for me to disprove them, and you haven’t done that at all. Oh, and some throwaway joke from a fictional cartoon - on its own - isn’t proof of anything other than that your “beliefs” have a fictional (and very silly) basis.

Nice self-own.

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Because we are discussing health insurance and the definition of gambling. You keep trying to change the subject to various other subjects, such as:

  • “being an American male”
  • unemployment insurance
  • your wages
  • crossing the street
  • my usage of quotation marks

and including religion, which is a straw man

straw man fallacy (sometimes written as strawman) is the informal fallacy of refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion, while not recognizing or acknowledging the distinction.[1]One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man".

That amnesia is really hitting you hard!

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No, you keep trying to change the subject, and I keep calling it out while staying on the subject of health insurance and the meaning of the word “gambling.” Again, blaming me for your words and actions.

You’re free to your “beliefs”, but the facts and evidence contradict you.

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You were using straw man because you had no rational response to a discussion about health insurance.

straw man fallacy (sometimes written as strawman) is the informal fallacy of refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion, while not recognizing or acknowledging the distinction.[1]One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man".

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I don’t care if you trust me. I never have. Others will trust the evidence and facts that they have seen so far.

But I will continue to point out when you post misinformation because it’s the right thing to do.

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Just because you ignore the facts and evidence does not mean that they aren’t there. Everyone else but you can see them, apparently. And I really don’t care whether you believe me or not. I only care that others don’t believe you.

And only you are convinced by your arguments. You, and a fictional cartoon named Ned.

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  1. wow, that’s sad
  2. it’s irrelevant to this discussion
  3. I don’t care
  4. somebody has made it this far to upvote my comments….
  5. if you hadn’t gambled your health and well-being foolishly by not getting health insurance, you could afford to work through these troubling issues with a trained psychotherapist rather than… this

And, again, you make a personal attack because you have no rational response.

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Wow, that’s even more sad than the story you just told me.

Also, irrelevant.

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There you go again with your fantasy scenarios again… or was that just projection… again?

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Ok, let’s wrap this up.

Overall, I rate this a 7/10 troll. 5 base points, plus 1 for sticking with it and another bonus point for that shit about Ned Flanders. That made me laugh so hard, I almost broke character and called you out, but I wanted to see how far you’d take it.

Thanks for the practice. I haven’t had a good one of these since my Reddit days.

Time for bed. See you around, bud

Could bird flu in cows lead to a human outbreak? Slow response worries scientists ( www.nature.com )

Researchers also say more sampling is needed. Almost 50 herds of dairy cattle across 9 US states have had confirmed cases of H5N1, and one infected person has been linked to the outbreak. But the actual numbers are probably much higher, scientists say. “There’s almost certainly been a lot more human cases than just the...

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I think we should take serious action to make sure that it doesn’t, because if it does, it will be horrific. But, if it does, we also need to prepare for that possibility sooner rather than later.

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Your lack of self-awareness is not my responsibility to resolve.

I suggest that you take your own advice regarding your own ignorance.

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That’s one way to look at it. Another is that, rather than truly outrageously throwing the book at these protesters, the worst they got was a massive inconvenience.

Now, I’m not trying to downplay getting arrested - even brutally so. I have been arrested at protests by some nasty pigs who beat the shit out of me, and I have spend nights in jail as a result. I know how bad that shit sucks.

What I’m saying is that it’s what they signed up for. And if they want to protest police brutality, go do that, too, but don’t act all shocked that this happened.

Edit: in an ideal world, protesters would be treated with dignity and respect— but if we lived in an ideal world, there would be no need to protest.

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Me too

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