stanleytweedle ,

Veganism is like religion. As long as you keep it to yourself I couldn’t care less. But if you make it your personality or proselytize about it then I’ll probably think it’s fun to make fun of you for it.

Grayox ,
@Grayox@lemmy.ml avatar

There is no ethical consumption under Capitalism, so jot that down.

crazyminner ,

Yes so let’s continue finding the genocide of billions of sentient beings that can feel pain and don’t want to die to be ground up and turned into fucking burger.

db2 ,

Animals all over there earth eat each other constantly, often while the meal is still alive. Grow up.

jkrtn ,

I don't think you should be using wild animals as your moral compass? Or do you actually think you're as incapable of controlling yourself as a wild dog or something?

db2 ,

Have you met any humans lately? 🙄

krimsonbun ,

The problem is the scale at which we do it. I don’t have a problem with small and ethical farms killing some animals to sell or use themselves, but I don’t remember lions breeding their prey into slavery, injecting them with chemicals, and turning them into bigmacs millions of times over.

db2 ,

Also corporate industrial waste that throws away hundreds of pounds like it’s nothing. But that’s a different argument from eating meat.

zakobjoa ,
@zakobjoa@lemmy.world avatar

What’s with the vegan hate? Leave that shit at Reddit.

empireOfLove2 ,
@empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Nobody really hates vegans specifically, idgaf what you eat. But when they go holier-than-thou about my choice of calories I’m gonna block.

Mr. Militant is an obvious troll account and shouldn’t be taken seriously

amio ,

Have you considered maybe your "participation" is just insufferable even if it weren't blatantly bad faith?

DragonTypeWyvern ,

Uh oh, you don’t agree with something on the Internet, better delete it

amio ,

Yeah, bad faith participation is awesome if you have an excuse.

DrCester ,
@DrCester@lemmy.world avatar

Something y’all need to realise is that commenting “Abusing animals is literally H*tler and you should be publicly executed for eating a chickenburger” is not going to turn someone vegan. Go look for smarter ways, god damn it.

hungryphrog ,
@hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

And something y’all need to realise that 90% of vegans don’t think like that.

Kolanaki ,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

90% of the vegans I encounter are the preachy ones making posts online. The vegans that aren’t like that don’t usually shout about being vegan and call for the death of “carnists” (BTW: there already is a word for meat eater so I don’t know why they had to make another one).

the_crotch ,

I prefer “bloodmouth”

Nevoic ,

I’ve never understood why vegans, the ones the vast majority agree are doing something at least good (even if you don’t understand it’s a moral obligation), are the ones that have to cater to the genocidal masses.

Stop and think for a second, imagine you live in a wild, wild world where the vegan position is actually correct. Imagine that you’re a vegan, and those around you are actually supporting an unjustified animal holocaust. Then think about how your critique of vegans comes off. It’s the genocidal maniacs complaining about how they’re treated unfairly on the internet because sometimes someone attacks their delicate sensibilities.

It’s not my responsibility to engage with you in such a way that makes you a better person. Your own failings are your own, and my failings are my own. My failings are I sometimes make someone on the internet a bit sad, and yours are participating in a market demanding tens of billions of animal deaths every year, a quantitative level of suffering we’ve never seen before.

tim-clark ,
@tim-clark@kbin.social avatar

Weak argument while standing on your subjective high ground, morality is a compass. Forcing people to follow your values is in most peoples view is immoral. Veganism is cult trying to shame people and scream at them for being wrong. No different than a religion trying to force their morals on you. Also trying to force people to a specific diet is wrong, that is not taking into account individuals health.

Nevoic ,

I didn’t force anyone to follow anything, but the state does and you view that as a good thing. It should be illegal to abuse and kill dogs & cats, we can agree on that obvious truth. Your inability to see how that translates to pigs/cows/chickens is just irrationality/stupidity, nothing else.

I’ve had a ton of conversations on the nature of normative truths. Rehashing it over and over again with pseudo-expressivists online is annoying, mostly because you all have actually no background in philosophy, so it’s like talking to a bunch of philosophy 101 students who have never given this more than a cursory thought.

You should look into the basis of knowledge, study a bit of epistemology. You’ll find the foundations for all truths, normative or descriptive, are quite similar. They’re all fundamentally based in axioms.

tim-clark ,
@tim-clark@kbin.social avatar

Gibberish, complete incoherent gibberish. Still trying to force your morality on others by belittling them. Udder nonsense from an extremist.

Nevoic ,

I understand this response, it must be emotionally hard to be challenged in such a concrete and decisive way, with no rational response available to you. I see this most commonly from carnists and religious people. In politics people don’t tend to literally fall into “LALALALA” and plugging their ears like you have, but certain social conditioning (namely church and other forms of normalized structural violence) cause people to go into a defensive panic.

Good luck on learning anything in your life, honestly.

tim-clark ,
@tim-clark@kbin.social avatar

I agree with many of the sentiments of vegans. However living in a city filled with militant vegans has turned me off supporting them, that is an emotional response based on my lived experience. All the gibberish you spouted can go right back at you as your diatribe shows your own bias as well. So keep claiming superiority it won't sway people with all your superior knowledge. If you know so much try a tactic that is more supportive instead of belittling people.

Nevoic ,

Knowledge isn’t bad, and I’m aware of where I’m knowledgeable and where my limits are. I tend to be quite a bit more knowledgeable about philosophy than the average person, most people don’t introspect or read about where truth comes from. They often don’t even know or understand what an axiom is, even though they’re foundational to how we live.

If that’s all too much for you, you can literally just disregard my latter two paragraphs before you went into your defensive panic. I don’t (usually) need to get into the idea of normative truths to justify veganism, because ironically we live in a country of “animal lovers”, many of whom would happily literally kill dog abusers. I’ve unironically met non-vegans that advocate for the fucking death penalty for people who abuse dogs.

That amount of dissonance, to advocate for actual death for humans who abuse animals, while themselves literally paying for animal abuse, is sufficient to dismantle people’s entire preconception of animal rights and worth. If we happened to live in a society without massive hypocrites, where people consistently held that abusing and torturing all “lesser” animals was okay, I’d have to get into more nuanced discussion about the nature of truth to help people get to veganism.

tim-clark ,
@tim-clark@kbin.social avatar

Wow, such a superior enlightened being you are!! Empathy for other peoples culture, health, and economic status needs to be taken into account. For all the talk of being knowledgeable and a moral leader, you are blinded by your own bias. Self reflection is important for all, including you

Kolanaki , (edited )
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I didn’t force anyone to follow anything, but the state does and you view that as a good thing.

What state is forcing a diet on you?

Also: Longs comments filled with malapropisms and in sesquipedalian manner doesn’t give me the best confidence that you actually know wtf you’re talking about.

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