wait wasn't he just fined and threatened with jail time 9 other times?
Show of hands - who here thinks they can violate a judge's orders 10 distinct times, including at least one time after already having been fined for past violations and threatened with jail time for further violations, and then sleep in their own bed that night? The rich break the law 10 times and are told 10 separate times that if they do it again there will be consequences, the poor are held in solitary confinement for years without trial until the prosecution admits that they never had any evidence and then gives up.
Donald Trump was held in contempt of court Tuesday and fined $9,000 for repeatedly violating a gag order that barred him from making public statements about witnesses, jurors and some others connected to his New York hush money case. And if he does it again, the judge warned, he could be jailed.
The judge threatened jail with the first 9 counts as well, and then Trump just kept breaking the law and the corrupt coward judge backed down because Trump and his ilk are not beholden to the law.
The second contempt hearing was over statements that were made between the first contempt hearing and the judge's initial ruling--i.e. they were statements made before he was initially sanctioned. The judge hasn't backed down, he's just not jailing him until he makes a statement made after his warning.
I believe that he committed contempt in two separate tranches and at the second series he still hadn't been warned of jail time at that point. He has now been so warned.
As to why the judge hasn't yet thrown his arse in jail - Trump always appeals, nowadays, always, as a delay strategy. The judge wants to limit every appeal element so as to keep things moving. Some of Trump's appeals have only lasted 20 minutes because of this.
And if he does that ten or twenty hundred more times after getting a couple people killed he can be POSITIVE that he MIGHT end up in a TIMEOUT Possibly!
Merchan said he doesn’t want to jail Trump, but “at the end of the day I have a job to do, and part of that job is to protect the dignity of the justice system,” and the violations “constitute a direct attack on the rule of law.”
So you know you need to do it and you're not doing it. Okay then.
He knows what the fuck his job is, it's to direct violence at the poor in order to protect and mollify the rich. The fact is the whole system is set up to prevent this embarrassment and Trump has been too pig-headed and boorish to take advantage of the multiple easy ways out that they've been offering him. He was supposed to do what the rest of them do, quietly agree to a generous plea deal to make the whole thing disappear so that no judge has to be broadcast on live TV showing such blatant favoritism to the aristocratic class.
I love the fact that Trump has been found in contempt of court for violating a gag order and making threats to participants in the trial ten fucking times, and the most he received is a stern look from mommy as she says "Don't make me count to three.....", knowing full well he'll never go past 2 and a half.
And they're even talking about putting him in jail for a few minutes or a few hours at a time and hoping he "learns". The man is threatening violence against people and the most this court system seems to be willing to give him isn't a "time-out". The most they're willing to do is the threat of a time out.
Seriously. Ten fucking times and they're talking about maybe possibly throwing him in jail for a few minutes. If anyone needs proof of our two-tier justice system, here you go. I can go on youtube right now and find literally thousands of court videos showing people being held in contempt of court and serving days in jail for wearing inappropriate clothing, grunting at the wrong time, and not saying "your honor". But this man literally stands right in front of the courthouse and violates the gag order on the daily, and the most he's gonna get is a glorified tour of a holding cell if he violated the order eleventy billion more times.
Even if he is found guilty, do you think this sack of putty is going to be willing to throw Trump in jail? Because I've seen no evidence yet that this judge, or any other one, has the stones to do it.
People are saying that the judge is attempting to limit his ability to cry fowl, mistrial, grounds for appeal. In that light, I can understand the huge sway granted. It still pisses me off.
It doesn't matter how this trial turns out... he'll appeal the fuck out of it until January then make up some bullshit about being able to parson himself from state crimes...
he’ll appeal the fuck out of it until January then make up some bullshit about being able to parson himself from state crimes…
I remember reading many, many years ago (Long before Trump was a thing, and I acknowledge I could be totally wrong here), but I remember reading an article that discussed this possibility (A president being incarcerated for state crimes), and the general belief at the time was that state incarcerations would be trumped (no pun intended) by the needs of the President to execute his duties unencumbered, and courts would likely rule that incarceration would be put on hold until after the President's term is over.
Again, I don't know if that's true or not. I could be talking out of my ass. But I could easily see that being a thing in this case -- even if Trump were convicted of state crimes, he'd be able to avoid punishment for 4 years if he's re-elected, which gives him plenty of time to somehow make the whole thing go away entirely.
That's the game...it doesn't matter if it's true or not. He'll claim it is, and by the time (or if even) the courts figure it out, the media will have forgot all about it and he'll get away with it. It's been a systemic dismantling of democracy that Biden didn't do anything to fix. We're fucked...royally fucked.
No matter what happens, he's going to cry foul. He's going to appeal literally every aspect of this right up to the Supreme Court. He's going to demand mistrials, re-trials, and dismissals at every level. Unless he's found not guilty on all 34 counts, this is going to happen no matter what. Jack Smith is going to be accused of being in cahoots with Genghis Kahn and only prosecuting Trump for the glory of China. Every member of the jury are going to have Trump Derangement Syndrome and are going to be painted as extremists who have been out to get Trump from birth. Every single ruling against every single piece of evidence is going to be appealed. This is Trump. This is what he does.
Giving him huge sway out of fear that he's going to do what he's going to do anyway just plays right into Trump's hands and only becomes more evidence that there are two tiers of justice in this country, and those at the top get more leeway because either they're afraid of some form of retribution or because they just don't want to bother dealing with it.
The man is threatening literally every person involved in this case on a daily basis, and has already caused at least one person to exit the case out of fear and credible threats. He should have been thrown in jail the minute that juror was excused.
Raffensberger and Vindman and all them already made their choice, they didn’t try to pussyfoot around it or split the difference or give him the benefit of the doubt
You WILL be thrown in prison, or worse, if he gets a second term. All this careful procedural business as usual is doing is making it more likely that that’ll happen.
You’re on a boat, and there’s a guy with a handgun who keeps getting drunk and taking potshots at the captain and putting holes in the hull. And he keeps saying things need to change and he needs to be the captain. Stop hiding the liquor and hoping it’ll all blow over. Stop saying if this keeps on this way someone should do something.
For real, he’s gonna try to find a way to straight up execute any and all judges who have ever decided anything against him if he gets reelected. Failing that, he’ll certainly try to do something fucky and illegally imprison them. I am not joking.
