I guarantee that these people have never lived in the ghetto. People who pull guns on the regular have more morals and honor than these wannabe cowboys.
I've had a gun pulled on me a couple times but I've always been able to level with the guy. The ghetto has a certain code of ethics. Folks who show respect don't get shot.
Most liberals and progressives I know own AR-15’s because so many conservatives own them, only it’s the conservatives planning on rounding up everyone that doesn’t look and think like them to be executed.
Reading between the lines here, it sounds like what happened is the daughter left the house without permission and that pissed off daddy. So he decided to wait by the door with his gun until she came home and then shove a gun into the face of whatever guy dropped her off. I guess he forgot Uber exists. He probably thought a friend or boyfriend was fropping her off.
they fantasize about shooting an invader so much that the first person they see becomes an opportunity. people have shot family members who come home in an unexpected manner or at an unexpected time. they own guns with the hope that one day they can kill someone and feel like Eastwood or whatever.
Hollonbeck admitted to his actions and said he was "afraid for his daughter's safety and didn't know who she was with or that she had left without permission," according to the report.
And yet again this shows that people cannot use guns responsibly, guns must be prohibited. The US could be such a nice place...
Not really. You'd still have way too many stupid and hateful people.
They'd just be slightly less dangerous stupid and hateful people.
(And yes, I do mean slightly, but am not going to go more into details of the other methodology with much higher body counts that the hatred of small minded folks have taken over the years.)
And yes, I do mean slightly, but am not going to go more into details of the other methodology with much higher body counts that the hatred of small minded folks have taken over the years
Apologist bullshit. There is no reality where this man threatens an Uber driver with a truck bomb. Even when talking about domestic terrorism, bombs are far more effort with far more risk, which is why they're not already used.
You're not going to try to force somebody out of their car with a flick-knife
In countries that don't just give guns to anyone who can write their name, carjacking is functionally unheard of. It's just not a crime that happens. If the criminal doesn't have a gun, you can just drive away.
The “afraid for [person]’s safety” line is because it covers his ass for any self-defense stuff. Because now his lawyer can claim that his use of force was justified, because he believed his daughter was in danger.
It’s textbook Concealed Carry stuff. Pretty much any CCW class will teach that if you ever need to use your weapon, you only tell the responding cops three things: 1) I believed my life (or the life of someone else) was in danger. 2) Someone was shot, and then I called 911 and began rendering aid. 3) I’m invoking my fifth amendment right to remain silent, and my sixth amendment right to an attorney. After that, you shut the fuck up and wait for your lawyer.
Basically, the cops are going to find out who fired the gun eventually. So instead of hiding it, (which makes you look guilty) simply claim it was self-defense and then let your lawyer handle the rest. Because now the prosecutor has to prove that it wasn’t self defense, which is much harder than simply proving you pulled the trigger. Because (depending on the local laws, of course,) self defense often only requires that you believed your life was in danger. Whether or not that belief was accurate is irrelevant. So as long as you’re able to stick to your very simple “I believed my life was in danger” story, you’ll likely be able to walk away.
It’s the same shit abusers and PR firms do when shit hits the fan. Instead of waiting for the cops to bust your door in with a warrant, you get in front of the situation and reframe the scenario so it suits you. Dead men tell no tales, so tell your tale loudly and make the dead man look fucking awful. Frame the person you shot as the aggressor, and yourself as the scared victim. You had no choice but to use your weapon, because you were just so scared. That mean (dead) attacker was scaring you, and forced your hand. You flip the script, and the cops will let you go.
Think about how you transform behind the wheel. This morning, at the buzzer for school dropoff. Three of us at stop sign fighting to go through first to grab street parking.. all end up parking together bc we're in the same community at the same school.. the woman who angrily gestured at me for doing nothing wrong... Same friend who's kid I carpooled in the morning last week. She probably had no idea it was me. And I don't feel any differently about her bc I get it.
Because everything is through an app now. God forbid you call a cab or the restaurant directly to order your food?
I get pizza every other week from my local pizza joint. Delivery driver is always the same and I know a shit app like Uber eats isn't taking a cut for jack shit.
The problem is we want more for less. People need to understand for the things they want they have to pay more and we aren't there yet. People don't give a shit. They want cheap and disposable.
God forbid you call a cab or the restaurant directly to order your food?
Most restaurants do not deliver and I think its honestly ridiculous to call a cab to go to and back to a restaurant when delivery services exist. If you happen to live in one of the rare places that have good public transit that's a great option though.
When you have a gun, especially a "manly" gun like an AR-15, you some people start having intrusive thoughts and desire to use it.
Same with police. If you dress up for war and talk up an us/them mentality eventually it boils over to what we have today. Many cops (not all) are just playing dress-up so they can play war.
Wow I didn't consider this at all. When I consider my own gun ownership and acquiring a pistol or rifle, I've literally never thought, "but what if I start itching to use it." I'm more concerned with "where the fuck would I keep this away from little hands, with ammo locked somewhere else, in a practical way to go grab it all and assemble between hearing an intruder and interfacing with them.. okay, this is dumb. I'm not getting guns"
Kyle Rittenhouse is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. He took his AR-15 and drove half an hour to "protect businesses" that he had no stake in. He armed himself and then deliberately embroiled himself in a tense, riotous situation. While he might not have done anything technically illegal, he was clearly spoiling for an opportunity to brandish and use that weapon.
I’ve [fired a gun] a lot in movies, but there are too many guns in the real world. I know people with guns, and they always say the same thing. “If somebody breaks into my house, I have to be able to defend myself.” But what they’re really saying is, “I hope somebody breaks into my house so I can use this thing.” It’s so wrong.
Christopher Walken always has been one of the good guys.
"I suppose I think of the man I'm playing as bisexual, and I suppose that's how I think of myself too. I'd hate to think that I was harnessed to heterosexuality. I mean, my life is heterosexual, but I like to think that my head is bisexual, and I think it's a good idea for everybody to start getting used to that notion, because that way one becomes aware of a lot more things."
that was 1973 - it doesn't get more progressive than that for that time.
The intrusive thoughts are very real. I used to carry due to driving in bad areas, but also because so many hillbillies also carried.
Someone cuts you off and it’s like the weapon whispers to you. “Why are you taking that? Fuck them, you have a gun, you don’t need to take that shit.” It’s not a real voice, just your mind being a primate.
Y'know, everything else aside it is profoundly inappropriate for rideshare contractors to be driving unaccompanied minors. They are not background checked at all the same way taxi drivers need to be. I'm kind of shocked uber allows it and that drivers feel comfortable with it. Obviously first and foremost this is an incredibly irresponsible (and dangerous to society) parent but holy shit, a rideshare corporation go ahead is not adequate for a kid to get into a strangers car.
Ok, it didn't sit right with me (still doesnt) so I looked up how the heck this is even allowed. Turns out Uber in their infinite wisdom is allowing teens 13-17 to make uber profiles in select cities. Personally I am far from ok with that BUT, I did find out some relevant information. Turns out you can only create an uber account as a teen if the account is linked to a guardians uber account that gives you permission, and gives notifications and live trip tracking to that guardian. So this absolute clown is either lying or when his kid went missing he reached for his gun before and without reaching for his phone and actually checking his notifications to see if his parent tracking stuff knew anything about where his kid was, or maybe a friends parents knew where she was or even the police. Nope, just got the gun even though he would have had to have known his kid had an uber account and that he had access to its tracking.
Look, anyone who jumps to threatening deadly force without first having their own life threatened is making multiple layers of mistakes. They're the aggressor in that situation.
“That vehicle was completely unmarked. In my mind, this was not good, right?" Dr. Sean Hollonbeck told WEAR News.
I can't say I've seen an unmarked Uber or Lyft car, generally they're very good about displaying one or both signs, so doubting this statement from the jump.
“I served 31 years, I was an Army doctor, I trained as a Navy flight surgeon, I served with the 7th Special Forces Group, I served with the 160th," Hollonbeck said. "I served six tours.”
Massive disclaimer before this whole paragraph that this person's actions are abhorrent and totally unjustified. Just want to provide some perspective on a single relatively minor point.
Regarding the unmarked uber it's actually more common than you'd think. In some cities uber will send you a little decal you're meant to put in the windshield of your car, but it could easily be missed and some drivers who maybe only drive a couple times a month may choose to not have that on display everywhere they go. Uber actually states that you're only supposed to have it installed while you're active in the app, but I don't think it would last very long if you peeled it off and stored it in your car or on a shelf every time you needed to go to the grocery store let alone if you drive for personal reasons on a daily basis. Personally when I was driving uber with that decal provided I chose to just keep it on my windshield, but there's no enforcement of that policy unless people scanned all your windows before getting in and decided that your license plate matching the app wasn't enough evidence to get in your car.
In the previous city I drove uber (albeit it was only around 80k population) they didn't provide any sort of markings. Plenty of uber drivers had signs, but those light up signs in particular are actually sold by third parties and as a result you need to pay out of pocket to get one. While I did choose to invest in a phone mount which is about the same price, I refused on principle to use my own money to buy signage.
So in short I can assure you that there are plenty of uber drivers in unmarked cars, either due to signage which doesn't meet drivers' needs or a lack of any signage provided by uber.
I believe it refers to a “Certificate of Deposit,” a type of savings account that pays a fixed interest rate on money held for an agreed upon period of time.
I just went to Vegas and probably took 30 ubers while there. Almost none had signs. One had a police license plate though lol
I think there's a lot more to this guy's relationship with his daughter. She had other friends at the house and hadn't told him she'd left. She also went inside and left during this confrontation. Sounds like a very strained relationship for many reasons - eg I wonder how many times he's threatened her with a gun etc
Rational conversation is impossible in threads like this so don't even bother. It's a nonstop circlejerk of over generalizations and name calling.
I think my favorite comment in this one so far is "When you have a gun, especially a "manly" gun like an AR-15, you start having intrusive thoughts and desire to use it."
Really? They really think that owning a gun magically gives the owner intrusive throughts and desires to use it against people? Forget who they are or how good their character might be, apparently anyone who owns a firearm will struggle with newfound urges to murder people. That's news to me, I guess that commentor knows myself better than I do.
And before someone takes this non anti-gun comment and frames it as support the dude's actions in the original article, I'll clearly state that I don't agree with what he did and he should probably face criminal charges. Pulling a gun on someone's only acceptable if they're moments away from murdering or seriously harming someone.
I wish more people understood that violent crime happens and responsibly protecting your family, and knowing what that means and how to really do it, is a very sensible thing to do.
I also wish that our people in general were smarter, wealthier, and less stressed out so that violent crime and firearm accidents would diminish. That would take actual social reform though, which is way harder and less catchy than "ban things ban things!"
Probably not an amazing parent if his 13yo daughter is sneaking out to do God knows what. I get being upset, but I'm sure you could talk to the Uber driver or God forbid your own daughter to figure out where she's been.
Yet another responsible gun owner acting completely rationally. Good thing you can just go out and buy a gun and just have to wait 3 days to get it without any sort of checks and balances other than a simple background check.
Yet another reason Texas is turning into a hellscape. I want to escape it, but also don't want to abandon it when there's things we can do to turn it around.
I think you need to word it better, call it the "I don't want to deal with your crazy racist shithead father (who ruins every Thanksgiving) running out with a gun when I drop you off mode"
He's probably being downvoted because his argument seems too similar to the flawed argument that women should have their clothing choices restricted because some men can't control themselves. It seems like a form of victim blaming/punishing.
That was not the argument at all, and your assessment is so far out of left field that I'm not entirely sure you actually read it. Seeing how calling out racism was removed as racism, I won't revisit it, though.
This is what happens when you aren't the type of adult or parent a kid can trust or have faith in. Hopefully the kid doesn't go down the wrong path because of this behavior.
You can take the guns out of the picture and it's still shitty. You will never reach a friend or person by acting like this.
Hope he learns and understands and is able to move on.
