Anti-trans Missouri A.G. can now access trans people’s medical records ( newrepublic.com )

A judge ordered Planned Parenthood to hand records of transgender care over to Andrew Bailey.

A St. Louis judge has ruled that Missouri Attorney General Andrew Bailey is entitled to Planned Parenthood’s transgender care records, ordering the nonprofit to turn over some of its most sensitive files to the man who has built his unelected political career on restricting health care access for trans people.

In his Thursday decision, Circuit Judge Michael Stelzer wrote that Bailey can collect documents under Missouri’s consumer protection statute that aren’t protected under federal mandate, namely the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, better known as HIPAA.

“It is clear from the statute that the Defendant has the broad investigative powers when the consumer is in possible need of protection and there is no dispute in this matter,” wrote Stelzer. “Therefore, the Defendant is entitled to some of the requested documents within his [Civil Investigative Demand].”

Bailey, who last year attempted to implement a ban on gender-affirming care for people of all ages, was quick to celebrate the decision, calling it a “big day” for the state.

Roflmasterbigpimp ,
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Sp00kyB00k ,

The singling out of a group and taking away rights seems familiar. Something, Something, Something third Reich.

captainlezbian ,

You’re just saying that because a certain government in Germany forcefully obtained a list of people who’d received gender affirming care. I wonder why the names on that list seem to not have been around in the 1950s

Sp00kyB00k ,

The names may have changed but boy does the current situation in the USA catch the spirit of it. Scapegoat one particular class and villainize them.

captainlezbian ,

Well what I was trying to say is that those patients did not survive the Nazi regime. The famous photo of a Nazi book burning was an act of transphobia and homophobia.

Sp00kyB00k ,

Ah, miscommunication in that case.

FlyingSquid ,
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Tebbie ,

Rural Missouri holding the cities captive.

InternetUser2012 ,

I think he should have to show his internet history.

FlyingSquid ,
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At this point, I think that should be a requirement of every candidate during an election, except they’d all ‘accidentally’ clear it.

Crack0n7uesday ,

I think it’s only for minors, which is even weirder.

Emerald ,

Conservatives love kids genitals these days

Crack0n7uesday ,

I’m from St. Louis so I keep up with local politics and shit. While you might find I disagree with most people on a lot of things, especially in the trans area of discussion, at no point do I think it’s a good idea to put a politician in the same room as a doctor and a patient. That is all I am willing to say about that.

Ultragigagigantic ,
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Work towards peace, prepare for the inevitable.

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PedroMaldonado ,

What the hell? Seriously, living your life is too much to ask?

afraid_of_zombies ,

Don’t trust any man in a suit especially if he looks like he wears one every day.

RBWells ,

Missouri, Goddamn.

KillingTimeItself , (edited )

isn’t this like, explicitly anti HIPPA (or HIPAA since apparently medical acronyms suck)?

Shouldn’t this be like, INCREDIBLY illegal?

FilterItOut ,

The ruling specifically said items that aren’t protected under federal mandate. When I deal with HIPAA (Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act) information, just about everything you can imagine in the record is protected if it can be paired with another piece of info and narrow down a person’s identity. Scroll down to the ‘Protected Health Information’

Hopefully that means they can deny just about every document… but I have no hope when it comes to courts and prosecutors in the states.

KillingTimeItself ,

yeah no this definitely seems illegal then. There’s no way asking for medical documents of trans people isn’t going to reveal personal information about them, unless you’re looking for fucking statistics?

QuaternionsRock ,

Given those are the only documents this ruling entitles the AG to, it sounds like statistics are all he’s gonna get.

KillingTimeItself ,

what a funny time to live in huh

afraid_of_zombies ,

Not like the Christians care but it also violates the fourth

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

KillingTimeItself ,

ah yes, a classic, the fourth, i mean the forced amendment.

captainlezbian ,

Silly commie. The 4th amendment is like the 3rd, 7th, and 8th. They’re all outdated silly things that are completely irrelevant to our modern world unlike the 2nd and certain interpretations of the 1st

RenegadeTwister ,

HIPAA

samus12345 ,
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No, they’re referring to the Health Insurance Portability and Paccountability Act.

KillingTimeItself ,

the p in hippa stands for accountability

FlyingSquid ,
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I thought they were talking about that hungra, hungra animal from Africa.

Socsa ,

Go sit in in a personal injury trial and see how worthless HIPPA actually is.

KillingTimeItself ,

hipaa is one of the things of all time, that’s definitely for sure.

But there are also things it’s supposed to be doing, so.

psycho_driver ,

Probably just so he can wank to the pictures.

affa ,

Bailey, who last year attempted to implement a ban on gender-affirming care for people of all ages

I’m not a fan of giving it to children, but adults should be able to do what they want with their bodies as long as they are not hurting anyone else.

slurpeesoforion ,

Why not?

affa ,

Children are too easily manipulated, and I don’t trust people to avoid coercing children that it’s better to be trans.

slurpeesoforion ,

Do you think children are more susceptible than adults? At what age are they less?

affa ,

Do you think children are more susceptible than adults?

Absolutely.

At what age are they less?

It depends on the individual, but the general trend is that people become less susceptible to coercion as they become older and gain more life experience.

slurpeesoforion ,

By that logic, are there any other things you’d be against allowing children to do or experience?

affa ,

Yes.

slurpeesoforion ,

Could you give a couple of examples?

affa ,

No, but you can ask specifically.

newthrowaway20 ,

This is such a stupid line of thinking. Trans people aren’t Nazi’s, they don’t indoctrinate the youth.

affa ,

they don’t indoctrinate the youth.

Sorry, I’ve seen too much evidence to the contrary.

There are scumbags across all walks off life, and you’ll start to realize this as you get older.

Ashe ,

Hi, you can believe what you want to believe, but I wish I pursued care when I was younger (began questioning at the onset of puberty) rather than transitioning at 25.

The most commonly used model is puberty blockers with parental consent up until 16 and then HRT only with parental consent at 16.

Forcing a child to undergo a puberty that they do not want, is cruel!

Children do not choose to transition because they think it’s cool to do so. They still get bullied for it. At least set them up to have a more stable adulthood.

tsonfeir ,
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Obviously for the purpose of masturbation and control.

Otakulad ,

Conservatives : Show me your personal medical records. I need to know if you are commiting crimes.

Also conservatives: No you can’t see my tax returns. That’s personal.

Adalast ,

Even better - Conservatives: show me your personal medical records, I need to know if you are doing something I want to be illegal.

Also conservatives: what do you mean you want to check my mental health background before I can purchase a gun? Outrageous.

The whole LGBT stuff is such bullshit since it should 100% easily fall under first amendment expression it is retarded that they have not been trounced are every turn.

stringere ,

it is retarded

Do better, please.

Adalast ,

I knew that would be the one thing someone would comment on. I am not referring to someone with cerebral palsy, downs syndrome, ADHD, or any other affect that would cause the slowing of mental capacity. I am referring to politisication of something that has a clear constitutional argument to be made. Also, I was using it as a double entandre, one as to call the lawmakers and judges who support this bullshit mentally deficient, but also to say that the whole thing impedes progress, which is the very definition of the verb ‘retard’.

If I had been using it derogatorily towards someone of actual diminished capacity, I would need to do better. These are supposedly competent elected and appointed officials. As long as they actively retard the growth of my country, I will freely and happily call them retarded.

stringere ,

Fair enough, I appreciate the well articulated response and agree with your usage, but you said it right here:

I knew that would be the one thing someone would comment on

That’s the unfortunate state of things due to years of people using the word derogatorily. I applaud you trying to bring it back to proper usage, just be prepared that you will continue to get responses like mine and I doubt they’ll all be as considered as this was.

Adalast ,

Thank you for your response anf kind acceptance.

It is actually a word that I have been endlessly frustrated with the changes socially to its use. When actually discussing mental deficiencies in a medical sense, the phrase “mentally retarded” is a rare apt terminology. It is “the state if being inhibited from further mental or cognitive progress”, which fits the definition of the verb “retard” perfectly. I understand that socially it was widely used abusively and historically it has a dubious past medically at best, but linguistically it is perfect. I guess that is what frustrates me, because so few things in this world have such a linguistic, well, not perfection, but something to that effect. I guess my failure in words goes to rhetorically illustrate my point.

stringere ,

Welcome. I wasn’t trying to stir the pot, just lookin’ out for a fellow linguaphile.

SuddenDownpour ,

This attitude doesn’t really remove derogatory language, because idiots who want to be offensive just jump to stupid, new words, or else they turn words that we could previously use just fine into slurs.

stringere ,

or else they turn words that we could previously use just fine into slurs

/gestures the “ok” hand sign

Like that?

SuddenDownpour ,

That would be an example, although I was thinking of something more relevant like people saying “accoustic” to insult autistic people.

stringere ,

That’s a thing? Ugh

Otakulad ,

Ah, but you see, there is no restrictions to owning a gun. Our forefathers believed so, even though at the time every gun was a single shot using black powder that wasn’t that accurate. They absolutely knew that one day people would have semi-automatic weapons able to fire off an obscene amount rounds in a minute, hitting a target accurately from a long distance.

Adalast ,

Don’t forget that they were just coming out of a time of oppression and persistent existential fear, but were obviously clairvoyant enough to know that it would be a rule that held in what would be the absolute safest and most peaceful time the world has known in 200 years.

PriorityMotif ,
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Does he have a license to practice medicine?

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