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  • tiredturtle OP ,

    Good call. I don't know if the new information about the release from being jailed is fake news, here's an older source

    tiredturtle OP ,

    The Guardian is not allowed on this community as per rule 1

    tiredturtle OP ,

    Yup. Surprised me as well. I've thought of it being an ok enough source, just apply normal media criticism. But Lemmy doesn't have transparency on whose mod decision it was or how to report those which seem to be on false premises or accidentally... Maybe some day.

    tiredturtle OP , (edited )

    I usually just lurk and post only if I see a topic which doesn't seem to be posted yet. Seems like eastern police state & oligarchy has been that lately, and I think it's definitely something that is interesting from a communist point of view horrified by human rights abuse. I don't know if they're taboo topics or just happenstance that I saw two of these lately before they hit here.

    tiredturtle , (edited )

    Not a controversial stance for an European nation but the joint statement is interesting. Could this be a part of a deal for China to flip on Russia. Does China choose to stay with an ideological reactionary ally or move towards collaborations

    tiredturtle ,

    The headline is a bit misleading. The article elaborates some, for example:

    In other remarks, Crosetto said that if Russian troops were to occupy Kyiv, it would "inevitably lead to a clash with other nations, which would not accept Russian tanks on their borders."

    European nations have been voicing the need of peace from the beginning, it's just that the negotiating third parties can't get Russia to participate in a dialogue. Which leads to desperate stuff like France asking for China to do their part (desperate because they'd need some unlikely deal incentive to flip).

    tiredturtle ,

    I was thinking of that situation as well, and I remember there was some foul play around that plan. The gist might have been that the Russian envoy did appear at the location but wouldn't negotiate. Time will tell if we ever find out the truth.

    tiredturtle ,

    Thanks for the confirmations

    tiredturtle ,

    So was Russia and it was supposed to be untouchable. Now they're in a war economy and losing resources

    tiredturtle ,

    They kinda pretend to play both sides, kinda not. Left hand says peace talks (without action and on Russia's terms), right hand helps Russia with resources.

    tiredturtle ,

    Maybe it's like a "takes one to know one" situation, as both the USA and China meddle in the Middle-East and Africa with an infantilizing attitude.

    tiredturtle ,

    Isn’t it great when the bourgeoisie chat about how they control us as cattle

    tiredturtle ,

    Very convenient. Maybe you’re a chosen one and nobody else can’t figure out that light flows in aether. Thanks!

    tiredturtle ,

    Modded as misinfo, worth to check the modlog… There were no links to any fake news sites nor information commented, just a realization that apparently all reports of even different cases can’t possibly have any truth to them.

    Trump’s lawsuits could be an allegory. There’s so many of them and similarly all of them have to be fake I guess. No fire where there’s smoke

    tiredturtle ,

    You misunderstood. I’m taking your word as is.

    Government propaganda is good to realize!

    Let’s say we have a basket of apples. The world’s most powerful apples. And they all look rotten and diseased, we know the reasons which make them rotten, it’s peer reviewed and considered a fact.

    So then we make a leap of faith. What if despite evvvvvvveeeerrrything, this one apple is actually pure and holy. And only a few know this for sure and they’re not letting anyone else know the proof.

    That’s very wonderful but, kinda sketchy at the same time?

    tiredturtle , (edited )

    It’s not a metaphor relating to those. You can substitute the apple for anything you like, the fruit is not a relevant object. It just carries similar properties. They can be called ‘Notexistilandia’, ‘United Territories of Nowhereon’ or ‘Countrystan’. Whatever helps.

    You’re very close with Chomsky and people not knowing!

    What I mean is that the mystical prophecies of one true holy and pure — despite the evidence, like we’ve discussed, rely much on faith, instead of (and sometimes contrary) to knowledge. And general populations “knowledge”, fooled, propagandized is just that — much closer to faith.

    More Chomsky:

    I think irrational belief is a dangerous phenomenon, and I try to consciously avoid irrational belief. On the other hand, I certainly recognize that it’s a major phenomenon for people in general, and you can understand why it would be. It does, apparently, provide personal sustenance, but also bonds of association and solidarity and a means for expressing elements of one’s personality that are often very valuable elements. To many people it does that. In my view, there’s nothing wrong with that. My view could be wrong, of course, but my position is that we should not succumb to irrational belief.

    Idealistic nationalist supremacy is just a form of religion.

    tiredturtle ,

    Yea muricans are always a good example of the lot. Thanks for discussing and taking part in the philosophical pondering, it’s not usual here!

    tiredturtle , (edited )

    I’m sorry you see me as an enemy and act reactively. I see we the people as one and am not related to the image you need to attack.

    Edit: and after all the compassion that horrible projection of a reply is what we see

    tiredturtle ,

    The oligarchs really push the division agenda, but it’s only artificial and doesn’t stand inspection

    tiredturtle , (edited )

    Is this meant to be to some other thread? I don’t think anyone mentioned lynchings but yeah they lynch us, we know, I know. If you create a side against there, the side is the black lynching despicable settler overseer side.

    tiredturtle ,

    Yea lol, every other day it’s that “collapse imminent” and every other time it’s “turning around and winning everything”

    tiredturtle ,

    Global press really. It’s been fascist ever since everywhere

    tiredturtle ,

    Yeah it’s true that even though the term West/western is so varying, it is difficult to include Russia in.

    But the point of imperialism rising is valid, US might be losing grasp but Russia and China are grabbing what they can to oppress as well.

    American intelligence withheld information on Moscow terror attacks out of fear of exposing intelligence sources or methods ( www.nytimes.com )

    The adversarial relationship between Washington and Moscow prevented U.S. officials from sharing any information about the plot beyond what was necessary, out of fear Russian authorities might learn their intelligence sources or methods.

    tiredturtle ,

    The Red Scare is a more like side goal because communism threatens oligarchies. The Soviet Union also had its hand in persecuting communists.

    tiredturtle ,

    Tsar was gone by something like the purges in 30s

    tiredturtle ,

    Russia’s global far right empire is quite in a growing trend it seems

    tiredturtle ,

    And during the prohibition, black market flourished. The business will always be there. The question is do you support organized crime or do you support taxing to cover harm reduction and safety for people (buying from non-criminal sources, tested product etc)

    Currently your stance is to provide money for organized crime

    tiredturtle , (edited )

    Didn’t they attack in France/Germany/Spain some time ago? Or are they exempt from being the spooky West. The use of the term seems to vary wildly so it’s tough to figure what it is used for, maybe the world minus Africa and Asia usually 🤔

    tiredturtle , (edited )

    Thanks for checking. Which countries did you find out then?

    Got these examples pulled which does include France still. Don’t know about the accuracy

    Paris attacks (November 2015): Coordinated attacks across various locations in Paris, France, including the Bataclan theater, resulting in 130 deaths and hundreds injured.

    Brussels bombings (March 2016): Bombings at Brussels Airport and a metro station in Brussels, Belgium, resulting in 32 deaths and over 300 injured.

    Manchester Arena bombing (May 2017): A suicide bombing at a concert venue in Manchester, UK, resulting in 22 deaths, including children, and dozens injured.

    London Bridge attack (June 2017): A vehicle and knife attack on London Bridge and Borough Market in London, UK, resulting in 8 deaths and dozens injured.

    tiredturtle ,

    How west we talking about? Europe has an existential self-interest, USA has a capitalist military industry profit self-interest. Even going further to the west, China’s involvement serves self-interest.

    tiredturtle ,

    There’s also a ratio of non-nazi civilians which are on the razing path of the bigger fascist country. Europe doesn’t seem to have alternative avenues than to attempt to block it at all costs.

    tiredturtle ,

    Tough to know. Nobody seems to have an idea how Russia’s hostilities could be solved

    tiredturtle ,

    Which attack was that? Couldn’t pinpoint by searching. Anyway, instead of hypothetical dwelling, time machines are not yet functional so the solutions need to be in the now and the future.

    tiredturtle ,

    Yeah could be. Nobody with the capability to stop doesn’t seem to have the will

    tiredturtle ,

    Or doing nothing lead to the current point. Oh well, it’s up to some future generations to look with hindsight

    tiredturtle ,

    Also it’s quite a stretch to destroy Ukraine and its people because of the USA or Turkey

    tiredturtle ,

    Dang, you’ve been busy then

    tiredturtle ,

    Russia is in a war economy and the USA is based on their military industry. An endless war of attrition is what the capitalist machine seeks.

    tiredturtle ,

    How ok would it actually be for other countries to agree to remove one somehow… there’d be few on the same list if Israel would become a precedent

    tiredturtle ,

    Musk supports Russia so what’s the play here

    tiredturtle ,

    Huh, found that news on Google. So Musk is quite publicly doing something in secret, with the CIA and Russia. Definitely fishy

    tiredturtle ,

    Far right and the rest of the capitalists are pro each other until it no longer benefits them

    tiredturtle , (edited )

    Fascists collaborating with fascists claiming to not is not very believable

    As neonazis commonly say that antifa are the true fascists, how many truly believe and why

    tiredturtle ,

    The global MIC really wants to push the narrative that wars are a neverending cycle without other options. Swift resolutions don’t make profit

    tiredturtle ,

    Yeah. The effects of the US and Cuban regimes are having it’s toll on the people and there are regions without basic necessities

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