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In my country we have a law that self defense has to be proportional and you are only allowed to use enough force to stop the attack.

It can't be like "the guy down the street threw a rock through my window so I go and kill his whole family in their beds".

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Because it's a sound principle.

Genociding tens of thousands of people, half of whom are children, is not self defense.

livus ,
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@TheFonz I'm finding this conversation a bit puzzling.

You sort of sound like you want this discussion to cover all those tired Hasbara "talking points" and their common rebuttals on Americam discuasions or something, hence IsRaEl HaS A Right to DeFenD ItSelf.

This isn't a game or a logic 101 essay though. It's ordinary people from multiple countries discussing a humanitarian catastrophe that has killed over 37000 people.

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Dresden was a horrendous war crime too.

I can see how it's harder for you to argue against war crimes from other nations if you're an apologist for war crimes committed by your own ancestors.

But many of us don't need to jump through those particular rhetorical hoops. The barrage of war crimes in WW2 was part of the impetus for strengthening international law against that shit.

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I'd be amazed and impressed to see the Psychedelic Furs are playing.

Honestly I'd mostly be upset about people who have died. Bowie. Prince.

George Michael dying of a heart attack on Christmas day was pretty out of left field given that he wrote Last Christmas I Gave You My Heart. I probably would have to see a newspaper to believe it.

livus ,
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There's nothing unhinged about Time Cube. It's just so obviously true. 4 similtaneous rotations, 4 corner earth days. Circle times square.

Either you need to read it again, or else you're part of the conspiracy of suppression.

livus ,
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That I've actually encountered irl? The Anti 1080 conspiracy in New Zealand.

Its members do things like go out and kill protected birds themselves and dump them because they think the Department of Conservation's pest control plan is on behalf of the Illuminati who want to terraform NZ etc.

livus ,
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Someone should pitch it to Netflix.

livus ,
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A lot of them also seem to refer to earlier forms of 1080 etc. Given the "silent seas" I suspect what this is really about is a sort of folk response to climate change and ecological collapse.

But the rabid activist ones seem to have linked the "Agenda 21" conspiracies, chemtrails etc with 1080. The covid/5G stuff as well, Sue Grey (antivax lawyer) was mixed up with the ban 1080 movement.

livus ,
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Sure. But votes aren't private or anonymous. Anyone on Kbin can see a list of every account that upvoted something, so it's easy to spot.

It's only a matter of time before someone writes a third party client that allows Lemmy users to do this as well.

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I've noticed a few people doing it but they only seem to use like 4 accounts each. Usually people spamming/promoting a blog.

livus ,
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My guess is probably what's happening with these 4-account people is they have them all open at the same time in different browsers, and since they only use them to upvote one account's post submissions they just have to follow that account.

livus ,
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"They" as a neutral singular pronoun has been in the English language for hundreds of years.

Enbys also use it as a personal pronoun, sure - but no one gets to dictate that it can no longer be used as a neutral pronoun for everyone of any gender.

livus ,
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I'm sympathetic to what you're saying but there's a part I just can't get on board with at all. I don't know if it's just that I come from a really different society to your one or what is going on here, but this paragraph doesn't ring true to me at all:

it’s never been socially acceptable to use they/them for a known person of a binary gender, and I’d argue that it’s even less acceptable now, thanks to the common adoption of they/them as a personal pronoun for known persons of nonbinary gender.

It's totally socially acceptable where I am to call people "they", or at least it always has been.

Didn't mean to insinuate anything about your English btw; in my experience most native English speakers don't have much interest in historical useage or etymology. Formal English style guides have only come on board with singular "they" in the last 15-20 years despite everyone using it colloquially for decades and decades.

livus ,
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The white South Africans did not starve to death when we boycotted them over Apartheid. The Israeli people can stand a few sanctions over their democratic choice to allow openly genocidal actions.

Personally the first sanction I would like to see against Israel is a complete embargo on buying or selling any weapons, armaments, or other military equipment. This would not hurt the innocent but it would hurt arms dealers and genocidaires alike.

livus ,
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@That edit was your attempt at some dark humour?

If Gazans stand in a big group anywhere without permission from the occupiers, they can get bombed and sniped and chased with drones.

The majority are internally displaced and homeless. A significant number are now starving to death. We know from doctors - before the IDF rounded them up and imprisoned them in Sde Teiman (Israel's version of Abu Ghraib torture detention) - the number of burn injuries, amputations, etc civilians are facing.

And you dare to sit there and compare these to the uninjured, well fed citizens of a richer nation that all have their own homes to sit in and organize their protests about how they want their hostages back?

Palestinians want their hostages back too. The thousands of children whose parents have been killed and vice versa want their loved ones back too.They are HUMAN BEINGS just like you. If Israel had treated them as humans and observed international law instead of turning into a rogue genocidal state the civilians of Palestine may have had the same chance for expression that you do yourself.

Try for some compassion.

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Then Israel will have a strong incentive to stop the Gaza Genocide and trigger the end of the embargo long before it runs out of military equipment.

That's how sanctions work.

livus ,
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Edit: Btw, Gazans voted for Hamas, too.

Interesting point. Far fewer Gazans voted for Hamas compared to the number of Israelis who voted for the current genocidal government of Israel.

Let's see... the median age in Gaza on Oct 7 was 18. The last election in Gaza was in 2006. That means half the people now in Gaza weren't even born yet.

Of the 50% who were alive then, only around half were of voting age in 2006. Therefore 25% of the current population were eligible to vote in 2006.

According to Wikipedia, turnout in Gaza was around 74%. 74% of 25% = 18.5% In other words, just 18.5% of present day Gazans actually voted at all in the last election.

In that election Hamas won 46.5% of the vote, winning in North Gaza, losing in places like Rafah.

So the number of Gazans who actually voted for Hamas is probably somewhere around 10% and mathematically can't be above 18.5%.

If you don't support sanctions against Israel on the grounds that not everyone voted for this then you shouldn't support Israel's collective punishment of Palestinians either.

livus ,
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They did protest Hamas before the war. I can't tell if you're lying on purpose or just ignorant about Gaza.

Times of Israel, August 2023:

On July 30, thousands of people throughout the Gaza Strip took to the streets demanding better living conditions, in a rare display of public anger against the Hamas regime. The following Friday, August 4, hundreds of people rallied again in various parts of the enclave.

Popular discontent with the Hamas regime in Gaza has been simmering for years. Since the group wrested control of the coastal strip from the Fatah-run Palestinian Authority in 2007, large-scale protests have taken place on several occasions, most recently in April 2015, January 2017 and again in 2019. Each time, protests were repressed by Hamas security forces and did not lead to any significant changes for the local population.

Here's Human Rights Watch in 2019 reporting on the violent way Hamas suppressed protestors with beatings and arrests:

The crackdown isn’t an aberration. In October, we published “Two Authorities, One Way, Zero Dissent,” a report showing that Hamas authorities routinely arrest and torture peaceful critics and opponents with impunity. We found Hamas often holds detainees for short periods, sometimes just hours, but during that time taunts, threatens, beats, and tortures in order to punish critics and, apparently, to deter them from further activism.

Immediately after Hamas was elected in 2006 there were protests and violent reprisals. Surely you should know this.

livus ,
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I'm glad that you don't support collective punishment of Palestinians.

That's the common ground between you and me. Where we disagree is in what steps to take to stop it. I'm so old that I boycotted Apartheid and later had the very moving experience of being thanked for my country doing that by people who had lived through it.

From some of your comments in here I think you have trouble seeing the enormity of what is happening to your fellow human beings in Gaza right now. In recent years sanctions have been used to halt an attempted genocide in Ethiopia and to weaken the power of the genocidaires in Myanmar. It's actually usually only when superpowers (China, USA) stand in our way that they become less effective.

livus ,
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Sorry if this sounds rude of me but that suggestion is absurd. Myanmar is 90% Buddhist. The monastery was attacked by the junta (government military). The junta also attacks Muslims. From your own link:

Soldiers and police sometimes stood by "while atrocities have been committed before their very eyes, including by well-organized ultra-nationalist Buddhist mobs," said the rapporteur, Tomas Ojea Quintana. "This may indicate direct involvement by some sections of the state or implicit collusion and support for such actions."

Which of course was confirmed later when junta soldiers began giving testimony about their role in killing Muslims in the Rohingya Genocide

@saltesc

livus ,
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I hate to break it to you but Buddhists killed those Buddhists.

Myanmar is 90% Buddhist and in the middle of a brutal civil war after over 60 years of military dictatorship by Buddhists, against a civilian population of mostly Buddhists.

Myanmar is also home to a sect of violent extremist Buddhists who supported genocide.

livus ,
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Great, an equal opportunity genocidist.

/s

livus ,
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This is like cartoon villain level evil at this point.

livus ,
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This is the crux of it:

The ICC has 124 state parties, while the United Nations has 193 member states. This disparity makes clear the gap between what the ICC seeks to achieve – namely, universal accountability for international crimes – and what it can practically achieve when it lacks the support of implicated or nonaligned countries.

livus ,
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I don't have a dog in this fight but I do want to point out a flaw in your reasoning. The fediverse is way different than reddit when it comes to karma.

  • not all instances have karma
  • of those that have it, not all instances federate it
  • there isn't a cross-instance hivemind so if your downvotes come from, say, Hexbear it doesn't mean the same thing as say, Lemmy.world
  • therefore, where you spend your time affects your various scores

I'm on Kbin which does not federate downvotes. We can only see downvotes if they are from other Kbin accounts, and they're also public. Downvotes from us are often to indicate spam or trolling, but only we can see them.

Russia begins tactical nuclear weapon drills near Ukraine border ( www.theguardian.com )

Russian forces have started military drills near Ukraine simulating the use of tactical nuclear weapons in response to what Moscow deems threats from western officials about increased involvement in the conflict. Vladimir Putin ordered the drills earlier this month in a move Russian officials said was a warning to the west not...

US sea route for Gaza aid isn't working, say Pentagon and UN ( ca.news.yahoo.com )

Only five of 16 aid trucks leaving the Gaza pier on Saturday had arrived at the warehouse with their cargo, said a UN World Food Program spokesman. The deliveries had to be suspended for two days after the trucks were intercepted by a crowd. The entire project is estimated to cost $320 million, and the pier was only installed...

Gaza famine 'repellent' to Irish psyche - Taoiseach ( www.rte.ie )

The Taoiseach has said the Great Famine is a tragedy that "will never be forgotten" and the unfolding famine in Gaza "is repellent" to the Irish psyche. Speaking at the National Famine Commemoration in Edgeworthstown, Co Longford, Simon Harris described the famine in Gaza as a "tool of war" and called on Israel to "step back and...

livus ,
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dangerous precedent, where the US government shows complete disrespect of international law

With all due respect the US has been in open contempt of international law for the past 20+ years.

Guantanamo for example is completely illegal.

WATCH: IDF Bulldozers “Shave” Asphalt Off Jenin Roads To Reveal IEDS ( www.theyeshivaworld.com )

As the IDF launched a widespread counterterrorism operation in Jenin in the early hours of Monday morning, armored bulldozers were deployed to the area to clear the roads and locate IEDS. The bulldozers scraped the asphalt off the road in order to reveal any hidden IEDS. During a raid in Jenin last month, three powerful […]

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Horrible. Some of the comments on this article are using openly genocidal language.

livus ,
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Ethnic cleansing is the part where they displace the target population.

Genocide is the part where they kill the target population.

Obviously there's a fair bit of overlap between the two.

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Narrator: "...it was."

livus ,
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OP's username should clue you in.

livus ,
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Aaah look at the length of those legs and that proud little nose.

Back before the Breed Standard for Pugs got out of control.

livus ,
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I think I see what's happening here. The missing piece of the puzzle is that there are 2 kinds of rights.

"Negative rights" = the right to not have certain things happen to you, aka freedoms. Eg freedom from being assaulted.

"Positive rights" = the right to do/have stuff.

In the case of enslavement, the negative right - to be free from being forced to work, owned, etc is a much more important right than the positive right to own property.

livus ,
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Your rights end at the point where they infringe on someone else's rights.

Like, it's my right to walk where I want but it's not my right to walk into your house. Because it's your right to own private property.

Secondly, authoritarianism is not about how many people the law affects. It's about style of governance.

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“That is something that everybody can see with their own eyes. The killing of aid workers, the targeting of hospitals, the total destruction of the healthcare system, the massive number of civilian casualties, many of whom are women and children,” McManus said. “That does not happen in a context in which the prosecuting army is adhering to international law.”

This is key.

livus ,
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It isn't "OP's invention" at all, it's the article's title at the time of first publication. Here is the Guardian announcing the article under its original title.

Maybe spend 5 seconds on a basic search before you accuse people of stuff.

Given that the article says the aid will still have to go through an Israeli checkpoint in order to be sent north (where the worst famine is) I will be amazed if the small amount of aid scheduled to come through this pier doesn't suffer the same distribution blockages as other aid.

livus ,
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When they're trying to discourage someone from raising money to help starving children, is there like, a brief moment where they wonder if they're the bad guy?

livus ,
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It really does. Image search has heaps of photos of her looking like in this painting.

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He was only 19 when he was stolen and may not have had a science based education.

Reminds me a bit of the Jaycee Duggard case, she ended up interacting with lots of people without telling them that she was being held by a kidnapper.

livus ,
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Could be, a lot of the slavery cases in the UK and Ireland seem to be like that.

Do you leave a tip for housekeeping if you're only staying one night in a hotel?

Is it a 'thank you for prepping my room' or 'please clean my room today'? If you tip post cleaning, it's likely going to someone else the next day. Many hotels now only do housekeeping on demand. How do employees feel about this - do they miss the tips or are they happy for a less stressful workday?...

livus ,
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Cool! Tanzania is a country I hope to learn more about. The wildlife is famous but I don't know much about the people and politics.

livus ,
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Oooohkay.

I studied genocides at university and I damn well know what one is when I see one. I also studied Apartheid so I know exactly why South Africa brought its case. And I have a longstanding interest in human rights law.

all the stupid people out there... seems like you're part of that

You're being really offensive now.

If we're up to you "questioning" my "intentions" here, lets quit while we're ahead, there's absolutely no value in a discussion where you accuse me of being a Russian troll and in turn I accuse you of being a Hasbara shill. I entered this conversation in good faith but it's pointless now.

Thank you for the discussion, have a nice weekend, goodbye.

In Brazzaville, Republic of Congo, Congolese protest following Sassou Nguesso's ceding of part of their land to Rwanda. ( www.digitalcongo.net )

The Republic of Congo has granted more than 22,000 hectares of agricultural land to Rwanda for a period of 25 years. An agreement that is starting to face increasing criticism from Congolese citizens. Dave Mafoula, an unsuccessful candidate in the 2021 presidential election, calls on his fellow citizens not to accept "things...

livus OP ,
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@protist note this article is about the Republic of the Congo also known as ROC and Congo-Brazzaville, not about the Democratic Republic of Congo also known as DRC and Congo-Kinshassa.

The reason it made headlines is due to Congolese feelings around Rwanda's hostility to DRC and sponsoring of M23 rebels who have invaded it.

It's a bit like how Ukraininans would feel if a neighbouring country was giving territory to Russia.

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