cupcakezealot ,
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a) politics is always involved in eurovision, especially when it comes to country voting

b) this is karma for that god awful chicken song winning over eleni foureia in 2018

funkless_eck ,

people have bitched about politics in eurovision since the start. you can predict half the scores based on politics as it is.

floofloof ,

If you call genocide "politics", yes. Some of us would say Israel's ongoing genocidal slaughter of tens of thousands of children and adults is what "gets in the way of pop".

Iceblade02 ,

I just hope there won't be a terror attack in Malmö during Eurovision. There's a huge amount of police and security involved, but Malmö also has a problem with islamic extremism.

FlyingSquid Mod ,
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Worrying about what Muslims might do while Israel is committing a genocide sounds like somewhat misplaced priorities.

Tobberone ,

No, we need to be able to keep two thoughts in our heads at the same time or we are bound to repeat the mistakes. Terror and oppression is terrible regardless of what the purpetrator and the victim are called.

Iceblade02 ,

I'll second what @Tobberone wrote, and also elaborate.

Violence from religious extremists has been a problem in Sweden for several years now, and the war in Gaza has escalated the situation even further. I've a family member living in a larger city whom I worry about - particularly because they choose to be open about their jewish identity. There have also been threats against the university I study/work at, and against public transit - one of the many reasons that I no longer use it. As such, I tend to keep these sorts of considerations in mind.

However, I'm glad you don't have to worry about such things.

FlyingSquid Mod ,
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I don't "have" to worry about such things because I don't bother worrying about things that haven't happened and that I have no evidence will happen.

"There are lots of extremists here" doesn't mean "one of them is going to bomb Eurovision."

AmosBurton ,

Yes, one of them will one day blow something up out of frustration. That's what extreme Islam looks like.

FlyingSquid Mod ,
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Okay? And? What's the point of worrying about what they're going to do when? You can't predict or stop it.

I live in the U.S., land of mass shootings and many religious extremists of many stripes. I don't spend my time worrying about where and when the next mass shooting will be. What's the point? What good does it do?

AmosBurton ,

What's the point in waring a seatbelt when you cannot prodict or stop the next accident?

FlyingSquid Mod ,
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And the equivalent of the seat belt here would be what?

AmosBurton ,

Worrying

FlyingSquid Mod ,
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I'm pretty sure worrying won't save any lives in a catastrophe, so that's a very poor analogy.

AmosBurton ,

Worrying could lead to measures which might help to avoid/reduced impact/midigate destruction of the next incident.

FlyingSquid Mod ,
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You worrying could lead to it? How exactly?

AmosBurton ,

I don't know about you, but when I'm worried, I am more alert.

Let's say my some kids are playing in the sea, my worry will keep me looking over to see everything is OK.

So in our case, if we the individuals are worried about extreme Muslim movements/communities, we will be more alert around them and keep an eye out. This way a planned attack is harder to carry out.

But that's just a theory.

FlyingSquid Mod ,
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So you can't actually give a real-world example of worrying having any effect on extremist terrorist attacks... unlike seat belts. Hence it being a bad analogy.

Also, I assume you won't be at Eurovision, so I am guessing your worrying about a bombing there wouldn't matter even if worrying did have an effect.

AmosBurton ,

Mmmm
Iron dome might be an example.

Worries of rockets fired by extream Muslims rapidly excelerated the development, production and deployment or the system.

The death toll from terror attacks was reduced by a lot (in calculatable [for me at least])

Iceblade02 ,

...I don't bother worrying about things that haven't happened and that I have no evidence will happen.

Two known foiled attacks in Sweden during 2023;

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/terrorplanerna-mot-sverige-som-har-stoppats

Along with an attack in Brussels specifically targeting swedish citizens (two shot dead)

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/kristersson-m-allt-pekar-pa-att-terrordadet-var-riktat-mot-sverige

...and plenty of other attacks in the past ten years.

Furthermore, Säpo (security police) estimates there are roughly two thousand salafists in Sweden willing to use violence to overthrow democracy and institute sharia law.

https://sv.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_i_Sverige#Radikalisering_och_salafism

For context, given the Swedish population of 10 million, that's roughly one per five thousand. Quick math makes it ten in my hometown and thirty in the city where I work/go to university - odds are that I've met at least one.

It has happened and there are plenty of people willing to perpetrate new attacks. I'm willing to bet a lot of money that it will happen again, maybe not at eurovision, but it will happen. So, yes, I worry and I take precautions (similarly to how I wouldn't walk in certain parts of town at night).

FlyingSquid Mod ,
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What precautions exactly?

FlyingSquid Mod , (edited )
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I just watched Israel's entry, 'Hurricaine' by Eden Golan. I realize this is a low bar for Eurovision, but wow is that a shit song.

The video has some hilarious dancing though. I don't think it was supposed to be funny, but it's definitely funny.

If you must: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJYn09tuPw4 (It's Eurovision's YouTube channel if you're worried about generating revenue for an Israeli company.)

Edit: Croatia has a song named Rim Tim Tagi Dim by a guy who goes by Baby Lasagna and it's really funny. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTBrVNZtnys

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mynachmadarch ,

I haven't heard it at all so I can't comment, but I do know they were forced to re-write it pretty late in the game to turn down the more obvious anti-palastine political messages in it after several countries threatened to boycott this year. It might have already sucked, haven't heard either version, but a late re-write changing it can't have helped.

FlyingSquid Mod ,
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Like in the song itself? Anti-Palestine shit? Seriously?

mynachmadarch ,

The original was titled "October Rain" (a reference to an October Hamas attack),
had lyrics like:
Hours and hours
and flowers
Life is no game for the cowards (most I've heard felt it in context to be saying screw Palestine, they started it and hide in their holes killing, let's bomb them all)

And the Israeli delegate to Eurovision (the board member guy, not the artist) said they were sending a song all Israelis could connect to.

So yeah, my albeit western interpretation is it was very anti-palastine, pro-israel

FlyingSquid Mod ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Regardless of the interpretation, that's pretty tone-deaf of them (no pun intended) if they thought that was going to win them the competition.

Krackalot ,

That's the problem with holy wars, the perpetrators think they're doing God's work.

FlyingSquid Mod ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Very true, although I don't know that Netanyahu would be doing this if he were a person who believed in the Jewish god. I'm not saying Yaweh is peaceful, but the modern Jewish interpretation of Yaweh doesn't usually include "he wants you to commit genocide" despite what the Bible might say about the Amalekites or Egyptian children.

Donjuanme ,

Did the dancers not get to hear the bpm of the song they were dancing to? And then ballet... What an overproduced collage of disaster.

ickplant ,
@ickplant@lemmy.world avatar

The Croatian song is way better, lol. Such a banger.

AshMan85 ,

Yeah, acts of genocide should over shadow a student music competition, u callus assholes

FlyingSquid Mod ,
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Sorry, you can't keep politics aside when Israel is competing.

I hope they get nul points though.

TheUncannyObserver ,

Oh shit, sorry our freaking out about babies being murdered by Israel is disturbing your music, you fucknozzles.

Linkerbaan ,
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The biggest problem of racist libs pretending they are just following rules is that they can't claim they are just separating politics from the event. Because they broke all those rules to ban Russia.

autotldr Bot ,

This is the best summary I could come up with:


MALMÖ, Sweden — Behind the music, color and high camp, geopolitics has never been far from the surface at the Eurovision Song Contest, be it through subtly political lyrics, boycotts or the outright ban on Russia after it invaded Ukraine two years ago.

And as thousands of people flock to the coastal city for the event, large protests are taking place over Israel’s participation in the competition, including on Thursday, ahead of Israeli representative Eden Golan's semi-final performance.

The decision by the contest’s organizer, the European Broadcasting Union (EBU), to ban Russia after it invaded Ukraine was something she agreed with, she said, adding that she thought it was hypocritical to let Israel compete while it waged war in Gaza.

While they did not demand a ban for Israel, artists from the U.K., Denmark, Finland, Ireland, Lithuania, Norway, Portugal, San Marino and Switzerland signed a joint statement calling for a cease-fire in Gaza, where almost 35,000 people have been killed since the start of the Israel-Hamas war.

Having initially balked at the idea, Israeli public broadcaster Kan, which manages the country’s entry, eventually amended the song, now called “Hurricane,” following an intervention from President Isaac Herzog.

Yair said some artists had tried to skirt the ban on overtly political statements by using more subtle elements in staging or costume, and he said he expected Israel would try in some way to commemorate Hamas' Oct. 7 attack on the country.


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