You heard him game companies. Never bother fixing a mistake, because people who live to complain will just continue to complain, and everyone else won’t care.
yes, and I'm so sick of this attitude. this is not a messed up launch that you fix with updates. this was a business decision. a deliberate one. this wasn't a bug, it wasn't a mistake, and it wasn't a misunderstanding. this was a test.
yes. that's the message. don't fix your transgressions after you realize you couldn't get away with it. don't do it in the first place. and don't do it next time. cause there will be a next time.
no brownie points if you steal a wallet and you graciously give it back when you get caught. that's not "fixing your mistake".
Yea, I have zero hope that Sony has dropped this completely. They will most likely wait for the attention to die down and push it through, that's just how these shit companies work. Even their wording is ambiguous enough to mean that.
Prediction: they won't remove the geoblocking because Sony won't commit to not requiring the PSN login sometime in the future. All sony said is that their may 30th plans were not moving forward. That's corporate weasel speak "for now".
Having seen this play out at a smaller scale before, there is 100% an ego driven calculus at play here, because there are probably 200 different overpaid executives who supported the PSN bait and switch as a "strategic initiative" to "drive platform engagement" for "revenue expansion roadmaps" who would look like they've accomplished nothing at all if this was truly dead. It's not like they can just make a good game which produces stable long term cashflow. That's so 2012. Now we need "metrics," and "telemetry," and "app installs."
If there's one thing I've learned in my career it's that you will never convince anyone wearing a suit that they are wrong. The best you can hope for is to make them think they came up with an even better idea on their own.
They don't even need to be the suit, they just need to work with the suit.
My boss is the director of our department, his boss is the VP of the department, and his boss is the CEO. My VP is pretty cool, but to get anything done, I need to convince the director in terms that make him look good to the VP, and also make the VP look good to the CEO. My boss is good at coming up with jargon, but sometimes I need to plant the seeds of that jargon to get things rolling.
If my VP or director get replaced, I'll probably leave. I know what works on them, and I honestly don't have the energy to learn a whole new way of buttering someone up.
That’s an interesting phrase, “getting account linking took a Herculean effort”, so they had ulterior motives in what they were doing? Thats a bad look.
It was part of their contract from day 1, they did as little as possible to deal with it from their end when their servers went down and Sony let them pause it.
The splash screen should have provided more details about the mandatory requirements, they knew what they were doing by being vague and not upfront about anything.
It was part of their contract, of course they are going to want the company they gave funding to make their game hold up their end of the bargain. Or are you suggesting it’s okay for people to just say fuck contracts and do what they want? That can’t be your point here is it?
So why would they go out of their way to undo/reverse something they agreed upon to do in the first place. They saw dollar bills after Sony let them pause it and have now essentially admitted it. And not surprisingly, people are coming out in droves to defend them.
This is going to backfire on arrowhead spectacularly in the future. It’ll take time, but they’ve fucked up royally in the end here.
This is basically no different than what CDPR did, but this is a Sony funded game so they can’t just pull the game.
Illegal contract terms have never been enforceable.
My employment contract has a non-compete clause for the express purpose of trying to depress my wages. Fortunately I can break that shitty term with impunity.
One sided contracts requiring anti-consumer behavior should be illegal too, but until then I support any way of getting out of the offensive clauses.
It hurting your feelings doesn’t make something illegal. They agreed to terms, sucks to be them if they didn’t like it.
And even if it was illegal, getting the public to fight your battle for you is just about the shittiest thing you can do. Don’t agree to the fucking terms in the first place lmfao, or at least educate yourself before agreeing. This is wholly on arrowhead, but defend one corporation while decrying another lmfao.
As explained in the first comment, arrowhead knew about this requirement from the start, it was mandatory until their servers couldn’t handle the load. Sony paused the requirement and sent their engineers out for free to deal with it. It was listed on their store page, and they had a very vague splash screen the first time you loaded the game. The splash screen should have mentioned the mandatory requirement, they knew what they were doing when they omitted that part….
They are biting the hand that feeds them, and the public is defending their greed lmfao.
Did you not read the game requirements before purchasing? The amount of people making uneducated purchases on this game is sadly way too high, is that why people are adamant about defending this? So they don’t look bad for not reading multiple warnings…?
When the PSN linkage shit the bed on release they made it optional even though text listed it as required. They also sold it in countries that don't have PSN, furthering the fact that it was optional in practice.
Changing back to the original plan is still imposing a requirement well after release even if they said it was required.
Yeah so that’s exactly where arrowhead fucked up… isn’t it…? They should have been far more upfront to begin with, but they weren’t and have now thrown Sony under the bus. They knew exactly what they were doing while they had dollar signs in their eyes., but sure defend them….
Maybe they shouldn’t have made the issue out to be nothing? Where is their personal responsibility for what they created with this fiasco? They made the splash screen to explain the issue, they didn’t provide the required info did they? Or is it somehow Sonys fault for their splash screen….?
The selling outside of areas where PSN is available, is on the publisher, which is in this case Sony.
It is my laymen understanding they are the ones that control the Steam listing that allowed it to be sold everywhere in the first place. If this is the case, then Sony opened themselves up to a shit ton of liability and blame on that part.
I'm not alleviating Arrowhead of their issue in the matter, especially after they were warned in February that this issue in particular was going to be a shit show.
Why does everyone resort to shill/fanboy when someone points out something? Arrowhead ignored contract terms, how am I fanboy for pointing that out, but no one else is a shill for actively defending a corporation ignoring contract terms and bullying other corporations to get their way?
You can decry Sony for doing it than defend someone else, that’s hypocrisy and everyone is doing it here.
So, sure I’m a fanboy because I’m pointing out how arrowhead fucked up? Sure lmfao.
Anybody ever notice how people like this chap here always seem so...angry in their replies? They'll go all in on insulting you somehow and cry if you respond in kind.
Why are you lying instead of addressing the main point? People always resort to fallacy’s when their point is made out to be irrelevant. It seems you don’t have anything actually to add here…?
So.. what are you going on about here? I’m curious why you think people will believe your obvious lies? Sure yeah you can be mad at me for pointing out the obvious that people painfully missed, but that doesn’t make me angry or insulting lmfao.
So what was illegal about it? Or are you not going to address any points and just whine…?
Sure, asking someone to backup a clearly asinine claim that something is illegal makes me aggressive…. Maybe don’t make asinine claims like that.
It’s also curious that no one has backed up that claim yet everyone is just insulting me, strange how that happens….
So yeah, how’s it illegal, let’s get back to the point instead of claiming stuff that never happened. Or are our feelings not done being hurt and we need to lash out at other people more since we couldn’t read multiple warnings about an always mandatory thing….?
And what a shocker, another person who just wants to insult instead of addressing any actual discussion….
What’s illegal about enforcing contract obligations? Can anyone actually answer that question? Or is everyone just going to insult anyone trying to have a discussion here?
I'm here off of front page, i just noticed you getting all worked up over nothing and now I'm pushing your buttons because it's fun for me and You're an easy target.
Lmfao, worked up? I think it’s hilarious the trolls that come out and the shit they come up with to defend one corporation while claiming I’m shilling another.
But it’s great you just let everyone know you’re just a sad pitiful troll who didn’t come in here in good faith, great job you’re the problem with these communities, what a piece of fucking work lmfao.
It sounds like your feelings are hurt. I can tell because you're trying to cover it with the 'lmfao'
I know you're not lmfaoing more than once since that's impossible, and you did admit to being aggressive so that does sound manic. Maybe you should take a mental health day and go to a spa or something? It helps when dealing with trolls
So…. because they aren’t the same user they can ignore the discussion that’s already happening and scream whatever they want! And I can’t defend my own points…?
Does that make any sense lol?
What’s wrong with asking them to address what the discussion is about and what’s wrong with pointing out they aren’t adding to conversation…?
Or is this just a circle jerk thread that I waltz into? Do people really detest conversations? Because that’s what I’m trying to have here, but apparently everyone just wants wants to defend arrowheads shitty way of handling contract disputes.
What was illegal about Sony enforcing their contract? Please explain instead of going off on an irrelevant tangent, can anyone answer? Or are people just going to shout without backing anything up? If someone wants to claim something’a illegal, they should be able to at least explain when asked, but I’m the asshole for asking…? Sure lmfao how does that make any sense?
It's because they are angry trolls who are already angry about something else and are choosing to take it out on others, hence why this guy decided to lash out at you without even paying attention to who he was replying to.
Arrowhead knows exactly what they were doing with the lack of communication and are now railroading steam and Sony.
The retailer holds responsibility for selling it in non-sellable markets. Steam knew of Sonys account requirements, it was part of the store page, so why would Steam allow sales in those markets? They have at least addressed that issue on their end now, but there’s still a lot to shake down from this.
For all we know, Arrowhead paid to rent Sony moderation infrastructure month-to-month six months in advance and didn't have it as part of their publishing contract and had to cancel the month and ask for a refund.
For all we know…? We know it was part of their contract for months before release lol. What else do you need to know here? And why are you trying to move the goalposts now that I answered you question irrevocably?
Yes, I would absolutely love to see small studios taking Sony's money, making a great game, and then using that as leverage to undermine dumb "platform engagement" bullshit which adds zero value to the game. Sony has been cancer to the gaming industry for a long time now, and I give less than zero fucks about whatever kind of metastisized bullshit they had planned here.
The dude may have wonderful motives of not wanting the account linking and decides on his own against it to make the game more available. However he also knew it is not going to fly, so its not very difficult to imagine what will happen. I don't see this guy being on the right side here.
Because people hate discussion and anyone who points out their own lack of education is somehow a shill and defending a corporation.
Which is hilarious since every single one is defending another corp, while also not admitting they couldn’t read multiple warnings before buying the game.
In other words, people’s feelings were hurt by the truth, and they are taking it out on me. I don’t give two shits about downvotes, and it’s incredibly amusing all the shit people come up with when pointed out.
IDK, I read this more as they intentionally sabotaged Sony's bullshit up front hoping for an eventual user revolt. I think he knows that this kind of bullshit would potentially overshadow the game itself and turn a lot of people off from what is legitimately a great game.
So it sounds like you’re defending a company for taking money and agreeing to contract obligations and then completely turning around and using the public to fight their battle? Instead of doing it the right way and either not agreeing to them or coming to other terms?
Thats what you’re doing here? Defending one corporations greed while decrying another? You’re a hypocrite lmfao.