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grue , to Technology in Moral Crumple Zones: Crushing the Human to Preserve Venture Capital

it’s time to remind everyone that Tesla’s design choice to disengage self-driving in the instant before impact is intentional to ensure the driver is in control during the moment of impact

That sounds like not only an admission of fault for the collision on Tesla's part but also deliberate fraud to me. That shouldn't protect Tesla from liability; it should increase it.

MusketeerX , to Technology in Moral Crumple Zones: Crushing the Human to Preserve Venture Capital

"Analyzing several high-profile accidents involving complex and automated socio-technical systems and the media coverage that surrounded them, I introduce the concept of a moral crumple zone to describe how responsibility for an action may be misattributed to a human actor who had limited control over the behavior of an automated or autonomous system. Just as the crumple zone in a car is designed to absorb the force of impact in a crash, the human in a highly complex and automated system may become simply a component—accidentally or intentionally—that bears the brunt of the moral and legal responsibilities when the overall system malfunctions. While the crumple zone in a car is meant to protect the human driver, the moral crumple zone protects the integrity of the technological system, at the expense of the nearest human operator."<

Great. Humans taking the fall for technology.

sbv , to Technology in Moral Crumple Zones: Crushing the Human to Preserve Venture Capital

I'm too lazy to read this, but the title fits my preconceptions. 👍

sturlabragason ,

I like your comment, it’s honest and accurately describes how a lot of my views are formed.

sbv ,

Low effort but honest Lemmy users unite!

xilliah , to Privacy in Paper: Murky Consent: An Approach to the Fictions of Consent in Privacy Law
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I like the Dutch consent form for body donation. You can just checkmark what you’re ok with and what not. I don’t know all the details but I expect that it’ll be used responsibly.

I think we can all agree that that’s an important topic. Why can’t we do that for other, often less important, things too?

Like sure, access my diary if your research is supported by a board but not for security purposes unless you have a warrant.

GolfNovemberUniform , (edited ) to Privacy in Paper: Murky Consent: An Approach to the Fictions of Consent in Privacy Law

So this type of consent is something like “you don’t need consent to do basic data processing because consents are not real”? Bruh what’s up with all the horrifying ideas recently?

EDIT: the upvote rate of this post makes my miserable hope for humanity even lower

ReversalHatchery ,

As I understand, it wants a third consent option, that’s what it calls “murky consent”, that would only allow very basic and very minimal data processing rights. For example it would not allow usage based on “legitimate interest”.

GolfNovemberUniform ,

Still it is data collection without my consent. What if I open the website accidentally for example? That concept is no more than enshittification to me. Better do something with the data sharing (like limit it and implement severe punishments for the violations) on the law level

ReversalHatchery ,

That’s the neat part. With this they would only be allowed to collect data that’s technically absolutely necessary. No legitimate interests and whatever bullshit. This is for those who only want to give their “consent” because other people are making them use the system.

This of course won’t solve trust issues. I won’t trust facebook and google because of it, that they will honor it. They can do whatever they want in ways that never will get to known. But I don’t think that’s solvable with big central providers.

GolfNovemberUniform ,

I think that consent is necessary. ANY data processing without consent should be illegal, even if you’re not able to use the system without it. It’s a matter of human rights.

ReversalHatchery ,

I agree. But this is a third option, not one to replace the "deny" option. Or did I misunderstand it?

GolfNovemberUniform ,

Idk what you mean. As I understood it's definitely one to replace the "deny"

ReversalHatchery ,

The article complains that the decision right now is just an on/off switch. If this would be a replacement, that would not change.

GolfNovemberUniform , (edited )

As I understood they proposed replacing on/off with all/basic_only. That is bad because I have the right not to give any data, especially if I visit the website accidentally. It may not make much actual sense for most people but I'm really serious about my rights

ReversalHatchery ,

If they really want to replace "off" with "basic_only", I totally agree with you. "off" is a must have option, partly as you say for accidental visits, and for when you just visited but reading their policy made you leave the site, to keep it that way that data collection can only start when the user presses the agree button.

BearOfaTime ,

Who defines what is "absolutely necessary"?

I guarantee none of these blinkered philistines would like my definition.

ReversalHatchery ,

Disallowing anything based on "legitimal interest" would be a huge step already. As I know, that's how companies get away with stalking.

jjlinux ,

The problem is that there's no clear definition of "legitimate interest". You may argue that Google has a "legitimate interest" about every part of your life, because they do, so that they can sell your data. Legitimate interest.

The way I see this today can only be defined as "legally stealing". They take our data without our knowledge and use it however they want because they own it the moment they take it from us, but there's no legal threat to them, thus "legally stealing".

ReversalHatchery ,

I wanted to mean legitimal interest in the way the GDPR uses it. Often datamining is put under that reason in privacy policies.

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