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There was a quaint little tourist attraction back in the days when 'customer safety' was just a suggestion.

PugJesus ,
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The real reason Florida Man became a thing:

The most important reason Florida residents land in the headlines has to do with the state’s Sunshine Law, which makes official records related to state governing agencies accessible to the public. Florida’s position is that the government is a public business, and its leaders have stuck to that belief with this law.

Established in 1995, the Sunshine Law ensures everyday citizens can easily access public records. This includes any document related to official government agency business, like photos, emails, maps —and of course, arrest reports and mugshots. Of course, some information is redacted or kept private, like victims’ names and residential addresses.

In Florida, access to these documents and photos is fast — arrest reports are available almost immediately after they are filed, local station WCTV reported in 2019. In other states, reporters often file a request for an arrest record and wait days for its arrival. In Florida, this process is streamlined — journalists have access to daily booking records, so they can get started building their stories almost immediately.

PugJesus ,
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I dunno, I mean, anyone who listens to the gossip 'round a medium-sized town has crazy stories to tell. Florida is obviously not in great straits mental-health-services wise, but Florida Man is exceptionally visible above all, rather than exceptionally crazy.

Also, gators are a fun and unusual addition to any news item.

PugJesus OP ,
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No, but it's a convenient drum to beat for the right-wing.

PugJesus OP ,
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Even in the Cold War, it was horrifically uneven. We were cozy with Yugoslavia and intermittently cooperative with the Arab socialist states (and Israel, which was dominated by the at-the-time-actually-left Labour coalitions), but couped the democratic governments of Mossadegh in Iran (who wasn't even a socialist) and Allende in Chile for seeming a little too 'red'.

Diving into Cold War history, you realize how much of the lines sold about realpolitik, liberal internationalism, and material conditions are all less important than their defenders present them as.

No one has a plan. There's no rationality or structure to it. Personal quirks of low-ranking bureaucrats and cultural perceptions of political decorum are often as important as national-scale economic concerns.

It's why democratic participation and awareness of foreign affairs is so goddamn important. Because otherwise, Mr. Empty Suit in a sinecure position during an unforeseen crisis who had a fucking cold the day a meeting was supposed to happen determines the fate of hundreds of thousands.

Shit's almost never inevitable.

PugJesus OP ,
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Oh, certainly. But an active and involved population can help steer the ship back on course by democratic means when any given foreign policy bureaucrat fucks up.

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I've heard it used, as an American myself. Sex-pest is someone who is bothersome towards others, typically in a harassing way with some thin layer of plausible deniability, in the expectation or hope of getting reluctant sex out of someone else.

PugJesus OP ,
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Lemmy world and being politically illiterate. Name a better duo.

True political literacy is understanding that the PEOPLE'S billionaires are what the REAL path to socialism looks like!

PugJesus OP ,
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It's a good thing that all that time and resources and blood was spent making the CCP the only instrument of significant political power in China so they could [check notes] as a much-poorer country, have about the same number of billionaires as the poster country for capitalism!

Power to the people('s billionaires)!

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did i say anything about the ccp?

The PRC, which is run exclusively by the CCP, is kind of the topic of discussion here. Is that too complex for you to grasp?

in any case the country has seen the unprecedented growth in the econony and quality of life since its inception.

It's hilarious that tankies throw fits over capitalist countries using the same measure to judge their successes, but immediately resort to it when their favorite fascist state is questioned.

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Amazing self-report with the instant whataboutism when defending dictators is mocked. Weren't you just on another community saying that the Soviet Secret Police pulling fingernails off of interogatees to extract confessions were necessary, and that it's actually the West's fault that North Korea is a divine monarchy?

PugJesus OP ,
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Yes, thank you for the second self-report on how you were defending Soviet Secret Police pulling fingernails off of interrogatees and blaming the West for North Korea becoming a Divine Monarchy.

PugJesus OP ,
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I didn't realize 'context' meant "Actually, North Korea's divine monarchy is the West's fault and the Soviet Secret Police were actually Super Necessary You Guys"

It sounds almost like apologetics.

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These are both reactions to imperialism.

It's funny how they resemble exactly how other authoritarian regimes acted even without the prodding of imperialism. Hmm. Hmm...

PugJesus OP ,
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Can you give examples?

Of other authoritarian regimes having secret police torture dissidents to extract confessions and creating divine monarchies?

Are you being serious right now?

PugJesus OP ,
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Authoritarian is a word that was made up so that Communist regimes could be lumped in with Fascist regimes more easily.

Wow.

PugJesus OP ,
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Authoritarian regimes with out imperialism.

Authoritarian regimes that developed without the prodding of imperialism? Is that what you're asking for?

You are quit difficult you know. Conflation, exaggeration and disingenuous.

Yes, yes, I know I'm quite difficult. It's a shame when people stay on-topic instead of wandering off chasing irrelevant points. It makes Whataboutisms so much harder to peddle, doesn't it?

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The Han Dynasty. The Russian Empire. Nazi Germany. The "Estado Novo" of Portugal. Francoist Spain.

PugJesus OP ,
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"Disband the CIA but popular discontent in dictatorships is generally not a CIA plot" is where I'm coming from.

PugJesus OP ,
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All that you list apart from François Spain were imperial countries… I’m going to assume your trolling.

Wait, so now you're changing the criteria from "Countries which turned authoritarian without prodding from imperialism" to "Countries that were authoritarian without being imperialist"? How the fuck is that at all relevant, then, to the very imperialist Soviet Union?

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How can a country that is imperial not be effected(prodded) by imperialism?

So you're including self-prodding by imperialism. In that case, the fuck was your point about the Soviet Secret Police being necessary and justified because of imperialism? Are you just throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks at this point?

PugJesus OP ,
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No doubt. Unfortunately, some are certainly genuine.

PugJesus OP , (edited )
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It's hilarious how tankies never understand, or pretend to never understand, any meme presented that doesn't involve worshipping authoritarians painted red.

PugJesus OP ,
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Uh.

You have fun projecting your fantasies onto others, I suppose.

Sorry for being uncomfortable with atrocity denialism. Guess that's weird to you.

PugJesus OP ,
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It's the FSB now.

PugJesus OP ,
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I was actually just joking but forgot my /s.

Poe's law. A lot of people on here genuinely think there aren't any tankies, despite the fact that a toe dip in most of these threads will show people with such delightful takes as "Authoritarian is a word made up to discredit communists" and "Soviet Secret Police were just a necessary defense against reactionaries!"

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I’m not super keen on toppling governments because “democracy” that you deliver to people by destroying their government is not democracy it is an occupation government.

I didn't realize that an attempted toppling by the Iranian people, put down by overwhelming force, including widespread use of sexual violence, was an attempt at an 'occupation government'. But it's unsurprising to hear such an opinion from a defender of the Islamic Republic.

I’ll just continue to direct my energies towards shittalking the bloodthirsty dictatorship where I live, the United States.

And spending your energy defending bloodthirsty dictatorships elsewhere, apparently. :)

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Aren’t you guys the ones super mad about meddling in other peoples governments? That’s the whole reason you’re you’re mad at Putin with Trump, what about you doing it makes it less bad?

So now the Mahsa Amini protests were caused by Western meddling? Fucking lmao.

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If it happens from people internally having their political will recognized then that’s a good thing.

Yep, and since I was talking about the Mahsa Amini protests from the start, quite explicitly so, to the point of linking to an article referencing them, I'm glad you agree with me. I mean, it took a little waffling around on your part on how you find opposition to the Islamic Republic 'farcicial' because you have 'Iranian friends' who are concerned about the Palestinian genocide (how that changes their mind on the Islamic Republic, I'm not quite sure), but you came around in the end, and that's what counts.

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You seem completely incapable of nuance, which is hilarious considering how mad you get at people no supporting your choice of genocidal corpse president.

Sorry that you're so eager for genocide and mass sexual violence here under a Christian Republic in the same Abrahamic vein as Iran's current government, but I don't really see the relevance?

You seem fixated on the idea that we worship these governments and it really seems like projection, especially considering how defensive you get over the US government and its wanton destruction.

Considering that you were just WhatAbouting the Islamic Republic's mass murder and sexual violence against protesters? Uh, gonna go with "It doesn't matter if you count that as worship, it's still bad".

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This is the part where you just make shit up so I have to spend time responding.

Lmao. Anyone can follow the comment thread and see you play 'Whataboutism' games about a brutal theocracy's mass murder and sexual violence.

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You are just trying to flatten everything to extremely recent events, it don’t hold up to scrutiny otherwise.

Oh, I'm so sorry for bringing up recent events, I'll keep in mind that when I bring up and link recent events, talking about recent events, and explicitly discuss the repercussions of recent events started and sustained by Iranians in their own country, what I REALLY am doing is... [checks notes] American imperialism.

PugJesus OP ,
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so how about moving on to where we disagree

"How about we stop talking about the issue at hand and change the subject?"

I mean, if you want to end the conversation here, that's fine, I understand it's embarrassing to be called out on an entire chain of whataboutisms in defense of a theocracy's campaign of rape and murder against protesters, just don't pretend like it's a natural extension of the conversation, lol.

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Don't worry, you can still find plenty of tankies simping or "whatabout"ing for the Islamic Republic. They just file it away like Tiananmen Square - something to be excused or downplayed or deflected from.

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Damn, you called it. This is the post she quoted:

Maybe we can get him to stop funding Israel before that, even. But first and foremost, fascism must be stopped, for the same reason that the Western Allies sided with the Soviet Union in WW2. We may despise each other, but there is a worse foe afoot.

PugJesus OP ,
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It's deeply unserious, and then they wonder why others don't take them seriously. But the People's Billionaires With Chinese Characteristics are peak socialism, I guess.

PugJesus OP ,
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Linkerbaan believes the murder of civilians is 'targeted resistance' because the civilians were under a regime supported by the West. They're not arguing in good faith.

PugJesus OP ,
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Fits the rest of their LARPing, honestly.

PugJesus OP ,
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Because tankies pretend, and try to convince others, that they aren't fascists, and that helping fascism along is actually fighting fascism.

Conservatives rarely tell you that they AREN'T trying to get Donald Trump in the White House so he can Make America Great Again. Tankies often claim that, despite working towards that goal.

I don't give a fuck about what fascist tankies themselves do, they're a lost cause, busy sucking off dictators because "Murder of Muslims and LGBT folk is BASED when you do it under a red flag!" I do give a fuck about their messaging being loudly and repeatedly parroted like Republicans in 2004 crying "RAISE THE TERROR ALERT" like it fucking meant something.

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That's unsurprising, considering you take every opportunity you can to amplify fascist propaganda.

PugJesus OP ,
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Barely anyone protest voted lol.

It was the highest 3rd party vote in, what, 20 years?

She got more votes from Bernie voters than Trump got from Gary Johnson voters. She lost because she didn’t appeal to specific voters in specific states, and the US has a shit democracy that she didn’t correctly strategize for.

Those things are also correct.

My point is not "HILLARY COULD HAVE WON" it was "Pretty clearly, despite widespread discontent on the left and the resulting action of witholding votes to either not vote, write-in, or give to the Green/Libertarian Parties, the DNC did not take losing to a right-wing candidate as proof that they needed to move left in any appreciable way".

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My payment is me and people I care about not being rounded up, tortured, expelled, or executed at some point during a second Trump administration. It's very valuable to me.

I don't give a fuck that the DNC is filled with listless, lazy, complacent, corrupt shitheads, because 'punishing' them for that by putting a metaphorical gun to my head and blowing my brains out just doesn't seem like a good calculus, especially since fascist regimes always have a place for listless, lazy, complacent, corrupt shitheads anyway, so it wouldn't be much of a punishment for the worst amongst them.

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