Darkayne ,
@Darkayne@lemmy.world avatar

I see a lot of people deny articles about “e-waste” calling them clickbait headlines and such. While I do agree there is a clickbait problem, I have to take it into consideration when I’m witnessing the company I work for right now tossing all the office computers in a pile to smash the hard drive. They just got all new computers a year and a half ago, and these are pretty good for an office workhorse. I thought it might be because of some weird HP contract or something, so I asked. But no, turns out some of them can’t upgrade to 11, and they must all go in the dumpster. “HP won’t take them back and it’s easier to just get all new ones.” I’ve heard similar reports from other companies in the area.

Again I do agree there is a clickbait problem, but I think we need to realize that Microsoft and companies like HP know exactly what they are doing to keep the money flowing in.

nossaquesapao ,

By looking at data from statcounter, both windows 7 and xp had dropped support when they were at around 3% and 0,5% of global usage, respectively. This time, Microsoft plans to drop support for windows 10 next year, but it’s still on 67% of usage. Either I’m missing something here, or they’re going a very weird route…

clot27 ,
@clot27@lemm.ee avatar

they dont care about windows that much anymore, just ai propoganda left and right

dangblingus ,

This is such an old article at this point. PCs don’t get sent to the landfill because the OS isn’t supported anymore. That’s idiotic.

cordlesslamp ,

These stupid headlines. Just like when iPhone 15 switch to USB-C and there’s tons of bullshit like “Millions of lightning cables and accessories will become e-waste”, like all the previous iPhones will disappear over night or something.

hornedfiend ,

For some people Windows is the PC,like Chrome is the internet and they only “google” things. What a world…

ryehypernova ,
@ryehypernova@lemmy.ml avatar

Reject Windows, emabrace Linux and FOSS Software

Darkayne ,
@Darkayne@lemmy.world avatar

I wonder how long it will be until Windows is a subscription based desktop?

KISSmyOS ,

It already is, but it isn’t mandatory, yet.

scottmeme ,

FWIW W10 Enterprise LTSC is good until 2032

mister_monster ,

For us Linux users it’s just a fire sale. Diet cheap PCs incoming.

fakeCheese ,

It’s beating a dead horse, but there are plenty of user-friendly Linux versions out there that will run just fine on most computers that ran Windows.

TwinTusks ,

Windows is still a must in my workplace though, some proprietary doesnt have linux version and runs like garbage in wine.

asdfasdfasdf ,

What about a VM?

Kcap ,

Note to self: sell laptop on Facebook marketplace in September 2025

bruhduh ,
@bruhduh@lemmy.world avatar

Note to self: buy cheap hardware for self hosting on Facebook marketplace in September 2025

Allero ,

Note to self: buy said laptop and run Linux happily ever after

hamid ,
@hamid@lemmy.world avatar

I’m pretty sure Microsoft’s intent is to drop these non-paying non subscribing customers and let them use Linux. Microsoft is 100% focused on promoting Azure consumption, Microsoft 365 and Microsoft Enterprise Agreement customers and not delivering operating systems for people who won’t pay monthly.

bruhduh ,
@bruhduh@lemmy.world avatar

They were data mining on non subscribing customers tho, in age of AI nowadays, data mining on real living people is good business

hamid ,
@hamid@lemmy.world avatar

They’ll continue thru their azure and entra (identity) services regardless of what OS you are on.

bruhduh ,
@bruhduh@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve never used them tho, most probably USA exclusive thing, i know Azure used in many countries companies on par with aws and Google cloud but it’s first time i hear about entra, didn’t know it existed

hamid ,
@hamid@lemmy.world avatar

Tons of websites use Azure as their back end. Entra is their IDP service that is often invisible to you and that people can use in their apps to build identity into it. It used to be called Azure AD. These are not public facing technologies, they are PaaS services that developers and hosts use to deliver white labeled products.

bruhduh ,
@bruhduh@lemmy.world avatar

Thank you for clarifying, good to know something new, you’re right, when they have good chunk of web under control they don’t need non subscribers no more

Takumidesh ,

Some very small percentage of people will switch to Linux, the majority of people will just continue to use windows 10.

hamid ,
@hamid@lemmy.world avatar

True, but I’m just saying Microsoft doesn’t care about this segment as part of their current strategy and knowing the OEM business is slowing down year to year. It has been a liability since the XP was running well into the Windows 10 era.

RizzRustbolt ,

Or folks will just continue to use 10.

bruhduh ,
@bruhduh@lemmy.world avatar

Better yet, 7

I_LOVE_VEKOMA_SLC ,

Win7 crew represent 💃💃💃

neutron ,

Some still cling on their old XP laptops.

Agent641 ,

Life finds a way.

KpntAutismus ,

like the US military. most of their mission critical stuff has been running for 20 years that way.

if only there were an operating system that could update without shutting down.

KingBoo ,

Don’t tempt the government. Please.

JeeBaiChow ,

Medical and banks on older stuff yet. Dunno about space shuttle.

ouRKaoS ,

The shuttle probably runs on actual mechanical switches

JeeBaiChow , (edited )

You kid, I know. But the shuttle software was one of the most stringently tested systems, at least as one of my sEng courses would have me believe.

Amazing that the device you are reading this on is way more powerful that the ones that first put men on the moon.

ouRKaoS ,

Early electronics are fascinating. The amount of power we were getting out of devices back in the day is crazy. Like this comment probably takes up more memory than Adventure on the Atari 2600.

I wonder what we could pull off now if people tried to squeeze every ounce of power out of modern day equipment?

JeeBaiChow ,

Agreed. I used to follow a mod group and the optimizations they used to pull off on 8086 is ridiculous. Nowadays an embedded browser app takes up 5gb on my phone. Wtf.

ricecake ,

We still do optimize software today, it’s just that there’s a cap to how much computing you can really need for stuff like flying through space.

The most impressive optimized software things we do now tends towards the more abstract, or banal in modern views.
Calculating the most efficient route to launch a spacecraft to slingshot off a bunch of different planets takes more computation than actually flying or controlling the spacecraft.
We can also model every particle involved in a nuclear detonation to optimize blast yields, which is how we optimize lethality while reducing the number of warheads.
Video games are also typically pretty optimized at their core, it just tends to be overshadowed by being “boring” uses.

nossaquesapao ,

One interesting thing is that the OS statistics we have available are based on user agent strings from access to participant sites, and this method won’t gather data from offline machines. Statcounter currently shows 3,1% of win7 and 0,52% of winxp, but I wonder if there would be a significant difference if offline machines were counted.

Clbull ,

Launching Windows 11 in the midst of a semiconductor shortage was such a dumb move on Microsoft’s part, especially when 11 doesn’t really offer that much more than 10. The only real ‘groundbreaking’ new feature (multiple desktops) was something that Linux had fifteen years ago.

c5e3 ,

even windows xp had it with microsoft’s powertoys’ virtual desktop manager

RobertoOberto ,

Is “multiple desktops” different from virtual desktops? Because i’ve been using virtual desktops in Windows 10 for a while now.

madcaesar ,

I can barely keep track of my one desktop what are people doing with multiple desktops?

misspacfic ,

for work i have to have like 3 PDFs open, my IDE, a browser, etc.

it’s nice being able just switch to a clean desktop to browse the internet or write an email without messing up my window placement or getting lost in a bunch of layers.

bruhduh ,
@bruhduh@lemmy.world avatar

First desktop for work/study related windows another for research/info related windows and third one for chill/media related windows, sometimes you work on more than two documents at the same time and researching theme with timeouts for chill so multiple desktops is very useful

DarkSpectrum ,

For every desktop there is a desk-bottom, so one is wise to be cautious ʘ‿ʘ

frezik ,

I used to use them a lot when monitors were smaller and I put one full screen window on each desktop. With bigger monitors and multiple windows open on just one, I don’t really use them anymore.

bigMouthCommie ,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

music can stay on one workspace

work on another

messenger on another.

my alt-tab is always in the right order, and accessing specific functions like music or messaging is a whole other key sequence and muscle memory.

RobertoOberto ,

Using multiple desktops may help you keep all those open programs more organized. :)

I use only use them at work. One desktop is for e-mail, chats, and my music player, the other has all the stuff I need for whatever I’m actually working on at the moment. If I’m switching back and forth between two unrelated tasks, I might use a third to keep everything for the two tasks separate.

Piwix ,

It’s like having a second or third monitor but instead of moving your eyes to the other monitor you move the desktop you’re currently looking at.

sanguine_artichoke ,
@sanguine_artichoke@midwest.social avatar

It’s good if you have sets of apps open for different tasks. I used to have one for programming (text editor/browser/console) and one for graphic editing (gimp/console/image viewer/blender), and one for general browsing/time wasting, all on two monitors. Pretty handy to keep your focus.

sanguine_artichoke ,
@sanguine_artichoke@midwest.social avatar

Kind of. Not sure what’s out there now but circa 2008 there were Linux distros with multiple virtual desktops each with their own virtual desktop. So you could have one with 3 virtual desktops of its own, another with 3 different virtual desktops of its own, and so forth. Good for true power users but it could get confusing fast.

frezik ,

Virtual desktops on X go back a lot further than that. First X11 implementation was in 1990 with vtwm. The Amiga 1000 had it for their systems in 1985.

sanguine_artichoke ,
@sanguine_artichoke@midwest.social avatar

The Amiga had the ability to have multiple video screens that you could drag down and even display partially at the same time in different video modes, which was impressive. I don’t recall virtual desktops but I suppose Workbench had that, idk.

Anyway I was just referring to my experience with workspaces/multiple virtual desktops in KDE or whatever.

reassure6869 ,

The only real ‘groundbreaking’ new feature (multiple desktops) was something that Linux had fifteen years ago.

what are you talking about? if you mean virtual as the others think, both linux and windows have had that for 20 years. if you mean something else I really really want to know.

anyway it also has better wsl (backported to 10 eventually), generally better performance and battery life, etc. it also had a mac dock that prevented me from doing the upgrade for 3 years lol.

nossaquesapao ,

I thought the same when it launched. Computer prices were skyrocketing, and they launched a new version with significant higher hardware requirements? It sounded as a terrible idea to me.

AeonFelis ,

So 2025 will finally be the year of the Linux desktop?

BlastboomStrice ,
@BlastboomStrice@mander.xyz avatar

It might be for me. Or at least sometime. When win10 support will be dropped or whatever I might eventually make Linux my main OS. ~Just a matter of time😅

DestroyMegacorps ,

if you wanna get familiar with linux you should try it on a virtual machine and since your a newbie your first distro should be linux mint as its ui is quite easy to understand or try it out on your own machine via a live usb

BlastboomStrice ,
@BlastboomStrice@mander.xyz avatar

I have linux mint on a random hdd, but I almost never use it. I have to tinker a lot with it. Some day…😅

DestroyMegacorps ,

You should thinker with it like once a week its gonna help you out in understanding linux ;)

dantheclamman ,
@dantheclamman@lemmy.world avatar

it will be the start of the age of the insecure Windows 10 desktop

Narauko ,

If Microsoft can’t figure out how to unlock the taskbar in Win11 so over/under monitor layouts can work (taskbar being bottom/bottom top/top), it will be for me. Drive me up a wall that the whole point of Win11 was a better UI, and basic fucking customization is dropped. I didn’t buy a Mac, don’t try and tell me how I am supposed to set up my desktops.

kalkulat ,
@kalkulat@lemmy.world avatar

The year of the four linux desktops, I hope! (I have 3, but two need to go to the landfill).

TypicalHog ,

Why would you send 240 million PCs to the landfill when you can install Linux on all of them?

azenyr ,

Sadly most users don’t know Linux even exists, or don’t know how to install it or don’t even think about trying to. Many people legit don’t even know they can change what OS came with the computer. They think its “part of the computer” like an iPhone or iPad. They just accept their fate and buy a new PC. Or ignore the warnings and keep using windows 10 until the hardware itself fails.

TypicalHog ,

Sadly, you are spittin’ facts! I just wish people were more into understanding stuff they are using. Like… I know people don’t choose what interests them, but imagine how cool it would be if everyone looked into Linux and shit and at least knew it existed and that they can put it on their old computers.

azenyr ,

We need Linux computers in store shelves. If someone buys a Linux pc they will just use it and most people won’t even think about it. Look at chromebooks. People buy them and use them and probably don’t even know what chromeOS is. They just learned how to use that specific computer. It goes to Facebook and YouTube and that is all they need it to do.

Jennykichu ,
@Jennykichu@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Meanwhile Apple does this every few years and nobody cares.

monkeyslikebananas2 ,

What are you talking about? Apple devices maintain their resale value for years.

lukstru ,

Apple locks old devices out of updates, although it takes about 10 years to do so. And after that, you can still do a workaround. Only problems is going to be when the last intel mac isn’t going to be supported anymore, then the old devices will definitely be locked out.

placatedmayhem ,

Apple locks old devices out of updates

Dropping support for older platforms happens for a number of reasons, including hardware-level security problems and lack of interest for ongoing maintenance. Linux distributions even drop support for older hardware. Even the Linux kernel itself has dropped support. A decision to not keep supporting a piece of hardware is not the same as preventing updates.

The thing to focus on isn’t that Apple halts maintaining its own OSes on older hardware. Rather, we should press hardware makers and regulators on the boot loader locks and other obstacles that prevent end users from installing alternate OSes, especially once hardware makers end OS support for hardware. E.g., older iPads that can’t run modern iPadOS but could easily run a lightweight Linux distribution. This applies to more than just Apple, like some Android devices. “Internet of Things” devices are similarly affected – Belkin halted support for a generation of Wemo smart plugs when a vulnerability came out – they told consumers to buy new Wemos and provided no alternate path for the older, still functional plugs.

Pohl ,

Just thought an old MacBook to put Linux on. Thing is almost 10yrs old and still has OS support from Apple That’s not too bad imo.

Chromebooks are the really fucking villain. 3-4 yrs and it’s off to the landfill. What the fuck?

ben_dover ,

how? my macbook pro is seven years old, and the latest macOS i could get is two major versions behind. I’ve tried installing linux and apparently it is a generation that is particularly troubled, with an endless list of broken things curated on github. eventually bad Bluetooth- and no internal audio-support was a showstopper to keep using it

Pohl ,

It’s a 2015 Mac book pro that runs Monterey which still has update support. Getting new versions isn’t really important, getting support and updates is all that matters. I expect them to drop Monterey support at the end of this year which will be about a 10 yr service life. That seems pretty good to me. I have never had a windows laptop last 10yrs. And even at its age it is surprisingly pleasant to use with Mac OS.

Regarding Linux support, I started with Mint and everything works but the WiFi is a little slow. It looks like there has been some work to address that but I haven’t had time to try it out. It might be my favorite laptop I’ve ever had and it was only $100.

ben_dover ,

i’m glad it worked so well for you, i gave up after 3 days of frustration

smolyeet ,

Technically, they do this every year.

EngineerGaming ,
@EngineerGaming@feddit.nl avatar

Perhaps because their expensive computers are nowhere near as widespread as Windows ones.

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