molly0xfff ,
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If you've ever found yourself missing the "good old days" of the , what is it that you miss? (Interpret "it" broadly: specific websites? types of activities? feelings? etc.) And approximately when were those good old days?

No wrong answers — I'm working on an article and wanted to get some outside thoughts.

LifeTimeCooking ,
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@molly0xfff where to start? The late 80's till about 2010 were the best. Especially when - no google, no algorithms, no ads, no social media (lots of communications through blogs), few agendas, little misinformation, no monetisation, few creepy people/scams/phishing/hacking etc etc. No influencers.

It was much more personal, individual.

cdevroe ,
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@molly0xfff belated reply; (signed on in 1994, had a website ever since) - I'm feeling less and less of that feeling lately. Personal websites seem to be on the rebound and I think that is what I like most about the open web. ActivityPub, decentralization, open protocols... I'm glad these are part of the daily conversation again. But when I did miss the good old days, this is what I missed.

jjoelson ,
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@molly0xfff Small community forums based around a shared interest.

cathodion ,
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@molly0xfff the time i miss was pre-advertising and pre-algorithm. communities were small. people had their own websites that they might have hand coded. in any case, sites were much much simpler and more usable. and i miss the optimism of those days.

starbreaker ,
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@molly0xfff I miss the relative lack of corporate presence.

alhatch ,
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@molly0xfff I remember Yahoo webrings 😬

althavin ,
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@molly0xfff
Mostly being a world without significant commercial interests and especially no lumped distribution: I would browser online listings/catalogs (!) like early Yahoo and find new niche topics like SIRDS and end at dozens exotic top level domains hosting website crafted by individuals. I'd explore well sorted and structured FTP Listings and find interesting new free software to copy on floppy disk for taking home. Later Tucows did that. Alravista, keyword, link, read: No ads,banners,etc

aradke ,
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@molly0xfff i miss the days when Google search worked. When you could find anything online and if you couldn’t you’d ask others, apologising that your Google-fu wasn’t working that day.
I think that all stopped when Google decided they had to “beat” other companies. First Apple, then Facebook, the Microsoft…

wuppy ,
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@molly0xfff how personal it was. modern web is 90% websites hosted by corporations with little personalization, most websites are something like [company].com which is just sleek informational content. on websites like YouTube where you have a personal public account, you get some degree of control, but everybody's account looks more or less the same. This lack of individuality combined with HEAVY commodification (ads on every single damn page!!) just makes browsing the modern web feel like a chore.. site builders like wix and squarespace make this even worse as what was previously a chance at personal expression (building your own personal or business site) has become yet another centralised service.

gunstick ,
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@molly0xfff I am not missing stuff, I am annoyed by stuff which is too much.
Too much advertisements.
Too many popups.
Too many proprietary big corporations.

D5V3 ,
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@molly0xfff I think fondly of the time I was a member of a local BBS. I had not met anyone in person. I was rather new, a few months, to the site.

One day my hard drive crashed. Within two days other members of the BBS had fixed me up and I was off and running again. It was an amazing experience that brought me to tears.

taureon ,
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@molly0xfff going on random (web corner) sites and then goofing off with the features they have

Salvo ,
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@molly0xfff @philip
A vibrant ecosystem of different independent Forums, Blogs and ways to interact with people.

The forums were able to be curated by people who knew the community they were evangelising and were able to censor without being sealioned by trolls.

toyotabedzrock ,
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@molly0xfff They have no idea the nonsense that was on the web. They actually mean they like the web before they were forced to use it.

Pyrrhlin ,
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@molly0xfff I think your survey questions used the word “net” and not “web”, which changes my thoughts dramatically. There was a “good old days” before the web. There was also a good old web!

BoydStephenSmithJr ,
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@molly0xfff Proper many-to-many threaded conversations on mailing lists that I could participate in, but also be caught up with at the end of every day.

RSS feed full of webcomics.

... I think that's what I miss, but I'm not sure I'd participate in them anymore. I never did figure out the best way to "sync" my reading "context" with my phone for either.

Lapizistik ,
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@molly0xfff

  • www was only one part of the internet
  • most of the web was personal, hobby, institutions etc, not commercial, not adds everywhere, not making money as main goal
  • collaboration, setting links
  • useable without tons of JS
  • howtos, tutorials in written text, not long videos
  • no AI generated spam websites
  • distributed personal sites, blogs, … not all the content on one of the big platforms
  • not hundreds of cookies (and cookie banners), no analytics and surveilance
  • fun and weird
dkompare ,
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@molly0xfff So many things from circa 1995-2003...

  • bespoke HTML websites
  • screencap galleries
  • small, standalone forums of a few dozen people
  • webrings
  • stumbling upon a sole-authored celebration or tribute page to something super-specific
  • not getting yanked into some algorithm soup
Katti ,
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@molly0xfff simple web chats you were able to tinker with (use font colours and types that don’t exist in the regular version)

mxk ,
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@molly0xfff online communities structured around narrow topics with a website that consisted of a homepage, member area, forum and adjacent irc chat.

mrconorae ,
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@molly0xfff no billions of JS client-side rendering frameworks. websites were actually just faster and simpler back then

evanwolf ,
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@molly0xfff Before fear.

Before folks worried about cyberstalking (stalking but with bits). Hackers stealing your money. Identity thieves. Surveillance. Naughty bits. Being caught seeing naughty bits. Privacy to chat with friends without conversations being public. Disinformation. Advertising. Internet/social addiction. Cyberwarfare. Election interference. Ransomware. I experience today's through insecurity and anxiety and ad overload. I miss the awkward relatively quiet net of olde.

lucas ,
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@molly0xfff

  1. old-school forums. so much knowledge on a singular topic, all distilled into one place, with the experts on hand, because that was the place to talk about your interest.

  2. IRC when it was simply "mIRC" to the unwashed masses. Laggy servers and netsplits. ahh. the nostalgia.

  3. advertising; pop-under ads were not nearly as bad as we thought they were in the early 2000's. advertising got so, so much worse.

3.1) web-rings! 😂

khleedril ,
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@molly0xfff Just the idea that you could work without the feeling that someone is looking over your shoulder. Also that the browser did not assume to own the computer.

viralpoetry ,

@molly0xfff mp3 via Altavista. Websites made with MS Word

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