Can we take a minute and stop to assess where Adobe is obtaining its training data? Everyone is all up in arms about the OpenAI devs scraping DA and such, but Adobe is 100% training on the entirety of Behance and the Adobe Cloud. Things that are not public, our personal files that we never intended others to be seen. Our private albums of our children, or our wives/husbands/partners, or parts of NDA restricted projects that are stored in Adobe Cloud automatically that are supposedly not in violation of our NDAs.
Where are the pitchforks? Where is the outrage? This is 1000x worse than some desperate AI engineer staring at a publicly visible and available training set that is already tagged and described in detail that was begging to be used. People lost their shit over that one. Why does Adobe get a pass?
Thatās fun, glad to see they are paying people now. I didnāt see in there when in the multi-years long process it takes to develop tool-sets and train checkpoints they paid for the rights to create derivative works. The article is dated a few days ago and it is present tense. They are NOW paying. The AI is trained. The tool is built. It takes tens of thousands of images to train a generative model from scratch, I would expect decades of footage for a video model. So if the model is trained, and them paying is newā¦?
Legally, an AI training is a āderivative workā, so I would need a letter from the lead engineers on the AI dev team at Adobe, signed by every dev who has worked on it, stating that they only used paid training material at every stage of development of the tools, disseminated separately from any official Adobe channel before I would believe that the greedy gaping maw that is Adobe did not just use the millions of images and thousands of years of footage they have legal right to use that THEY are actually PAID for. They know they can pay now because it is a drop in the bucket compared to the Creative Cloud fees and is great PR and an even better smokescreen. There is precisely 0 chance they are going to receive enough good, usable footage through this program to train an AI from scratch.
That little āderivative worksā bit in the middle gives them license to use the files stored in Creative Cloud to train AIs. So yes, they are using their data sets that they have license for. It just happens to be our data that they took the license on and we paid them to do it.
Really? Did he watch the same video I saw on that page? That b-roll was really bad.
I get that itāll only get better, but generative AI models will never understand filmmaking techniques because it canāt. Thatās not how these models are built.
It can create a city skyline and pan right, but itāll never know why a pan right in that scene was appropriate or how the lighting fits in with the rest of the scene. Itāll never come up with new ways of āfilmingā a scene, because itās all built on what already exists. Thereās no style to generative AI.
You say that like the current models are the end of the line but understanding why film making techniques are used isnāt impossible even just for a llm based system. Designing new styles isnāt out of reach for ai either, sure you can God of the gaps it and say thereās a mysterious sliver of soul required but practically itāll be able to be every bit as original as any human, probably more so as it has more knowledge to work from.
I know itās desirable to hate on ai because itās scary or popular but nailing your colors to the argument that itāll never be able to do certain things is already an exhausting game of moving that goalpost every time a new model emerges and thatās only going to continue.
itāll be able to be every bit as original as any human, probably more so as it has more knowledge to work from.
Itāll be so āoriginalā that it makes no sense, evokes no emotion, and goes nowhere.
And if the goalpost is a decent movie, then the goalpost hasnāt moved at all. AI is just impossibly far away.
Perhaps most importantly does humanity actually want to build bigger and bigger supercomputers using more and more electricity/resources just so some AI can make a crappy action movie? What a waste.
Sure itās pretty far away, but itās also moving at break neck speed. Last year low-res spaghetti-eating Will Smith body horror was the pinnacle of ai generated video, today weāre already generating videos that take at least a second look to determine that it was AI generated. The big question is at what point that improvement rate will start to level off.
Itās not really about the ai making a complete movie though itās about emerging tools allowing creators to make their vision.
But yes theyāll be making complete movies every bit as enjoyable as marvel sooner than you can imagine. And movies with emotion and message that speak to people on deep levels, thatās really not as hard as you might want to think.
And yes we do, making movies is just an easy to play with toy the real work is going to understand these tools so we can use them to do things like generative design of 3d printable items to set metrics so you can just say āmy dishwasher brokeā and itāll look at the photo, analyze the problem, design a replacement and offer fabrication options. Thatās the sort of thing this leads to, being able to have repairable and upgradable hardware, being able to customize your life and live better for cheaper.
Itās a world where the impoverished that used to toil in sweatshops so we could have cheap clothes can get world class education in their first language with questions answered and conceps demonstrated using examples they can understand and with clear and well constructed visual aids. Allowing them to create the things they need to improve their lives and recreate the local sustainability we tore from them.
If this allows someone with a fascinating life story and perspective to express themselves and create their vision then itās a great thing, Iām looking forward to seeing random movies from obscure areas of the world and I wonāt miss corporate and polished made by the numbers Hollywood the slightest bit.
Yes. It is a new tool for vfx artists and not a replacement. If they can deliver higher quality for less money, youād expect them to be more in demand.
āNeverā is a big word, but itās really not clear how one would train an AI to know what it should generate. See the hubbub about diversity in googleās image generator. I see no theoretical problems, but in practice itās just not going to happen any time soon.
With the Pro version you can create generative AI film in color. With the Legibull feature youāre allowed to display text on the screen of up to 10 frames in your video.
Not only could it lead to thousands of jobs being cut (it takes more than just actors to make a movie) it also makes it dead simple to put real people into a video that shows them doing something illegal. Grainy security cam LoRA anyone?
I couldnāt give a flip about āthe industryā but that doesnāt mean I want to see tens of thousands of talented people out of a job, not all of which are rich movie stars.
So youād fight to defend the worst excesses of capitalism? Thatās kinda funny to me, I guess itās America brain rot where you can literally only imagine people happy if theyāre being exploited by a corporation.
Lowering the bar to self expression and creativity is a great thing, those people will live better lives being able to create their own projects and being able to enjoy and learn from other peoples content.
Beside its not going to be overnight, thatās why we need to focus on transition and creating solutions with new tech rather than covering our eyes and crying until itās too late.
As for manipulated videos as legal evidence, if these products push for authenticity measures of security footage at the hardware/capture level, thatās a good thing. Adobe is just commoditizing whatās already been possible for some time now.
If trends continue, open-source solutions will be at this level within a year if not months. At that point youāre free to āwatermarkā the content or not.
The jobs will be replaced by the Indie companies that this tech will help foster. It was fantasy a few years ago to put out quality products that could rival Hollywood or triple A game companies. That gap is quickly being bridged.
While this is true to an extent, the human mind is not evolving at the pace of technology. Eventually (not sure when) humans will become unemployable for the majority of jobs and the few that are left will not be enough to go around.
We need to start taking UBI ideas seriously now, so in a few decades they are palatable, because we are heading for a labour collapse.
We also need to start using tech to lower our cost of living and our dependence on corporations, these tools are making open source and community projects much easier so combined with local microfabrication weāll be able to create the things we need for ourselves.
I already barely watch anything made by a corporation and manage to keep informed and entertained, I use my computer for everything from coding to video editing and CAD design without using proprietary software. the tools are getting constantly better and with ai coding tools helping the devs thatās only going to increase, itās helped speed up my coding hugely.
When ai is capable of replacing meaningful amounts of jobs itāll be able to hugely improve the productivity of anyone doing anything positive for community projects but also the cost to compete will continue to fall, weāve seen this happen endlessly with giant monopolies losing the market to swarms of smaller businesses undercutting with better products especially in niche roles.
Huge retail giants have crumbled simply because internet marketplaces make it easy for a hundred garage run business to undercut them, the customer gets better products and the person earns more and lives a better life than if theyād been working for the big corp.
Maplins is a great example, I donāt know if you had them in the US but they sold electrical stuff like components, gadgets and batteries but their choice was painfully bad and prices ridiculous compared to even just the early ebay that destroyed them.
Here in the west things were pretty good because we exploited 2/3rds of the world for cheap labour and easy resources, I get people would love to get back to that but the world largely due to improved education and communication through tech is moving away from that which is why one person working a low paid job in the US can no longer afford the labour output of a 100 impoverished 3rd world workers. Personally I prefer a world where everyone is equal and comfortable but maybe thatās just me.
The only way things will get better is by going forward, we canāt go back and there are no other paths open to us - use tech to lower the cost of living and to depower the monopolies.
Needlessly dangerous. The only positive outcome would be to make people aware of what is possible. The danger is that non-marked media will appear more credible.