Israeli torture: Urinating on Palestinian prisoners, burying them alive and beating the sick ( www.middleeasteye.net )

Shezzagrad , 8 days ago

This isn't 1940 nazi Germany and pretend you didn't know. Nor can the Israelis or massive amounts of "secular Jews" say they didn't know or didn't understand what they did, especially with the 70+ year concept of never again and "we are the eternal victim"

Whether it happens Tommorow or in 80 years. I will live my life to ensure the world doesn't forget what Israel and America have done, Noe will my kids or their kids. The sun has set on the Roman (American) empire and it's silly little colonial foothold will be dismantled. While Israel doesn't make me hate Jewish people, I'm stating to truly believes well over 50% of the entire people's faith are corrupted, brainwashed or straight evil.

But if the world started to hate Jews, who could literally blame them now? Israel has been the worst thing for antisemetism and has hijacked an ancient and mostly pacifist faith. All Israeli crimes are Jewish crimes, and all their genocides and crimes against humanity is specifically done in the name of the Jews.

Sop , 8 days ago (edited 8 days ago)

Antizionist jewish voices are being silenced by Western media. How many articles have you read about jewish people who are afraid of anti genocide protesters, and how many articles have you read about antizionist jewish people angry about the genocide? I can assure you that the proportion of antizionist jews is much bigger than what Western media would make you think. Their crimes and complicity will come to light at some point.

LibertyLizard , 8 days ago

Agreed. My sense was there was a disproportionate Jewish presence at Palestinian liberation protests I attended.

Hating entire groups of people based on assumptions that they are all the same is always ignorant and wrong. People just need to remind themselves of this no matter how “right” it might feel in a particular instance.

Maeve , 7 days ago

Mostly pacifist faith?! My friend, the abramic religions, with the exception of a few small cults within them, have been warrior religions, from inception. Jesus maybe tried to change that but even warned his teachings would turn brother against brother.

Shezzagrad , 7 days ago

My friend I think you are uneducated or over confident in your knowledge of Abrahamic faiths. Let me start with Judaism. How is it a warrior religion when (atleast original Judaism) until 20th century was a peaceful religion. Ironically of what you said, Christianity is the least connected to a real person or a real idea. The religion was pseudo dead for 300 years after jesus died until the Romans appropriated it and turned into an imperial religion.

Maeve , 6 days ago

Uh, the invasion of Canaan for starter. I'm not dissing Israelis. This is pretty factual. We don't even know a single historical Jesus existed. We do know the Messiah isn't supposed to present while Israel is a nation not in exile. But I'm just a beginner at kabbalah, and that's irrelevant anyway. I'm talking historical fact. While Jericho and slaves building pyramids probably never happened, Israel invading Canaan probably did.

Anyway, I'm not arguing what we "know" right now. If the data changes, I'm so there with it. I wish you peace.

Shezzagrad , 6 days ago (edited 6 days ago)

Look I'm pro Pali so this isn't me coming from a political but rather a historical view.
First and foremost. Judaism was a religion passed by language for generations before being written down, think how insane a game of Chinese whispers like that would go? Theyre book is pretty barbaric in the amolek stuff but actual physical data goes against any proof of any genocide or walls of Jericho falling down.

I am dissing Israelis tho, judaism was hijacked by a bunch of upper class elitist Ashkenazi Jews who weren't being accepted into white bourgeoisie society so they wanted their own ethnostate with a little inspiration from European colonisation. Even Hebrew was a dead language being "revived" by Frankensteining modern and old Arabic into the new Hebrew language.

You are right, no proof on jesus or even abraham, and mohammed having any sort of connection to either of those two beings seems laughable (as an ex Muslim). It's all an absolute joke but you look through Judaism entire history before 1850, they have never ever been a warrior people. Even the ethno religion is bogus since those born to Jews must do things to prove their faith as a Jew (I really respect even if that practice is both part dead part corrupted)

Christianity was also hijacked 300 years after jesus died by Constantine who all Christians have a boner for. Turned a peaceful religion into the apparatus of imperial power, more than Hellenism could have ever brought.

Of the three Abrahamic faiths only islam was a warrior religion and that mostly comes down to arabia being under the boot of that at moment two very weak and broken empires and them reaching peak empire immensely fast further cementing to the Muslim invaders this was the best path

Maeve , 6 days ago

Apparently I have to eat my words! Please accept my apology. I went back to

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ancient_Israel_and_Judah and skimmed (I'm stupid tired, I need to properly read this when my brain isn't mush).

Thanks for sharing and I'd be interested in relearning history. Agree with ashakanazi assessment on the face , not again i also need to reread when I'm properly rested.

Shezzagrad , 6 days ago

Accepted and no issues my friend, at the end of the day, it's all about learning and further improving ones knowledge. In an age of misinformation and buzzwords, we should try our best to learn.

Maeve , 6 days ago

The depth of your generosity will be the saving grace of humanity, imo, expressed so confident here:

an age of misinformation and buzzwords, we should try our best to learn.

I look forward to learning and growing with you.

Thank you so much for affording me an opportunity to grow a little, in this exchange. May you be happy and well.

Shezzagrad , 6 days ago

You're far too kind my friends, I'm glad I can be of any help and I truly believe in the importance of sharing knowledge, I hope you found it interesting and you need any good books or recommendations, DM me!

I wish you all the best my friend, I also hope you are happy and well 😁

P.s you are the most wholesome person I've talked to online Reddit/Lemmy in years

Maeve , 6 days ago

Thank you so much for your kindness. I would indeed appreciate any recommendations for reading factual information! Maybe others here would, as well? Please feel free to DM your recommendations, but also maybe post a few here, in case anyone else is interested? Of course that's entirely at your discretion.

You have been so kind in this exchange, I also feel you and the entire exchange is wholesome and enriching. It's so sad that societies, in real life and online, has devolved into getting even/"owning” the other. In full disclosure, I went down that road for entirely too long before finally realizing it leads to nowhere good, for individuals or societies. It's going to be a long way home, but I'm on that road now. I'm so honored to share the "road less traveled” with honest, kind people who will hold me to account with rigor and compassion, to both coax and prod, as appropriate to the need of the moment. I thank you again for the enrichment you've brought to me, along our way.

I do wish you all the best, as we walk together. I can't give you a real+life hug or handshake; please know I give both, in my heart and mind, for whatever small value that may hold.

NotLemming , 5 days ago

Ironically all the shitty behaviour and false accusations of antisemitism is only causing actual antisemitism.

Just like how I consider Christianity a crappy religion as a whole because of the child abuse scandals etc. Funnily enough, people doing crappy things get judged for it, not just personally but the group they belong to, even if it's a religious group.